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LanceDuyen
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Jun 28, 2016

Sure Start + Honda EU2000 = 13,000 btu Coleman Mach

I recently purchased a Lance 915 to replace our Squire Lite. The 915 came with a Coleman Mach 13,000 btu AC unit. Having already been through this previously we went with a 9000BTU on our Squire Lite. The Honda would start it in eco mode but it would almost stall out each time on restart. Several years ago when I researched this before I found Dometic Marine division was selling a soft start device called the Smart Start for 16,000btu marine ac units. Cheapest I could find it for was $450.00 at that time. this time I found that the start device was made by Hyper Engineering out of Australia. I guess their agreement with Dometic has expired. They call their same device a "sure start". They listed several various US distributers and being an HVAC Contractor I placed an order through Johnstone Supply (Texas). The price was $250.00 including tax and shipping. Four days later it arrived from their main warehouse.

Today I picked it up and installed it into a 2004 Coleman Mach 13,000 btu unit that operates on R22 freon. Much to my suprise it worked flawlessly even at 95+ heat. The installation is pretty straight forward. First you remove the factory start kit then install the "sure start" according to their instructions. The unit does indeed fit inside the electrical compartment along with the factory run capacitors. I'm very pleased even though I wish it were a bit cheaper. I had considered swapping the Polar Cub AC unit from our older camper but I remember there were some days when the 9000 btu's would struggle keeping up especially if the wife was cooking or the kids were running in and out. When the compressors fires up the generator picks up speed nice and smootly unlike the polar cub where is sounded like it was desperate, banging the rev limiter to keep it out of overload.

For those interested the Hyper Engineering Model#SS0A12-20SN

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  • ICamel wrote:
    jimh425 wrote:
    Any comments on using SPP6 vs SPP6E?

    SPP6E is for 220V applications.
    SPP6 is for 110V applications.

    https://www.amazon.com/SUPCO-SPP6-Start-Relay-Capacitor/dp/B0002YTLFEhttps://www.amazon.com/SUPCO-SPP6-Start-Relay-Capacitor/dp/B0002YTLFE

    https://www.amazon.com/Supco-Electronic-Potential-Relay-Style/dp/B0071OXD8Ehttps://www.amazon.com/Supco-Electronic-Potential-Relay-Style/dp/B0071OXD8E


    Both SSP6 and SSP6E are good for 90-277 volt applications (per SUPCO website)

    Near as I can tell, the difference is the cut-out circuit. P6 uses a thermal resistor (PTC), where as the P6E uses an electronic potential relay

    More details can be found online:
    http://www.supco.com/eclass.htm
  • GordonThree wrote:
    Installed the cap today, go figure, there was no start cap in the unit, just a run cap. Rating plate states LRA 56, no wonder the twins would struggle!

    With the cap installed, the compressor kicks right over, and even re-starts without any drama from the twins, they don't bog down at all.

    I'm not willing to press my luck trying to run just one, FLA for the compressor and fan combined is 13 amps, which is max sustained output for a ef2000is.

    Thanks a lot for the tip LanceDuyen!

    Rating is always very conservative.
    I measure my AC to draw 6.9 amp, so the only issue is start.
  • 3_tons's avatar
    3_tons
    Explorer III
    LanceDuyen wrote:
    I recently purchased a Lance 915 to replace our Squire Lite. The 915 came with a Coleman Mach 13,000 btu AC unit. Having already been through this previously we went with a 9000BTU on our Squire Lite. The Honda would start it in eco mode but it would almost stall out each time on restart. Several years ago when I researched this before I found Dometic Marine division was selling a soft start device called the Smart Start for 16,000btu marine ac units. Cheapest I could find it for was $450.00 at that time. this time I found that the start device was made by Hyper Engineering out of Australia. I guess their agreement with Dometic has expired. They call their same device a "sure start". They listed several various US distributers and being an HVAC Contractor I placed an order through Johnstone Supply (Texas). The price was $250.00 including tax and shipping. Four days later it arrived from their main warehouse.

    Today I picked it up and installed it into a 2004 Coleman Mach 13,000 btu unit that operates on R22 freon. Much to my suprise it worked flawlessly even at 95+ heat. The installation is pretty straight forward. First you remove the factory start kit then install the "sure start" according to their instructions. The unit does indeed fit inside the electrical compartment along with the factory run capacitors. I'm very pleased even though I wish it were a bit cheaper. I had considered swapping the Polar Cub AC unit from our older camper but I remember there were some days when the 9000 btu's would struggle keeping up especially if the wife was cooking or the kids were running in and out. When the compressors fires up the generator picks up speed nice and smootly unlike the polar cub where is sounded like it was desperate, banging the rev limiter to keep it out of overload.

    For those interested the Hyper Engineering Model#SS0A12-20SN


    Thx for the tip, I'll PM you...
  • Installed the cap today, go figure, there was no start cap in the unit, just a run cap. Rating plate states LRA 56, no wonder the twins would struggle!

    With the cap installed, the compressor kicks right over, and even re-starts without any drama from the twins, they don't bog down at all.

    I'm not willing to press my luck trying to run just one, FLA for the compressor and fan combined is 13 amps, which is max sustained output for a ef2000is.

    Thanks a lot for the tip LanceDuyen!
  • I found an SSP6E on Jeff's website, the price wasn't too obscene. I will watch a utube video on it's installation. The tricky part will be accessing the rooftop internals, as my roof is "non walkable."

    Thanks for the tip!
  • Make sure you have some sort of start device in your AC unit. The factory start kits are a bit undersized. A Supco SPP6 costs less than $10 at an AC supply house. The SPP6E is suppose to respond quicker if you can find them. The sure start is a whole new animal. It's expensive but so are generators and air conditioners. When voltage drops current increases which means heated motor windings and that will take life off any motor.
  • That Honda is impressive. My twin Yamaha 2000 struggle to start my Coleman Mach 13,500 btu. When I switch from high fan to low cool, voltage from the twins drops to about 80V and then ramps back up to 120V - this is with them running full throttle, forget about eco mode. Guess I bought the wrong generator.