Survey - who has had a citation for RV overweight?

blt2ski wrote:

deltabravo wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Anything in Washington st over 10k, be it gvw or gcw has to.follow truck speed limit max of 60 mph anywhere! Chains required over 10k where appropriate, whether you have a 4wd vehicle pulling trailer, or single dually 4we rig. Based on PAID for licenses,
Just because you are an RV per say, does not mean you can get away with out following some of the.commercial style rules.

Marty

I did not know that.

I'm not questioning the validity of your statement, just curious where I can ready that info - what's the RCW that makes the statement about following the posted "truck" speed limit when the vehicle is over 10k?

I do not know the rcw off the top of my head, BUT talking to many cveo, leo's from the SP, they have ALL told me this is true from the over 10K total. Most of what I have learned is from a couple of classes taught by CVEO's.
The chain up requirements is from a form I got many years ago via the SP office in North Bend Wa, when I was starting to pull my TT to snoqualmie summit. I have seen similar forms in Or, Id, and CA.
IIRC rcw 45.xxxxx is the weight law info.

Marty

Title 46 of the RCWs deals with motor vehicles. Here is the link for the RCW limiting 10K+ lb vehicle speed. Note this also applies to vehicle combinations over 10K lbs.

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.61.410

06Fargo wrote:
So who has actually had a citation or fine for an overweight RV rig?

NO ONE! as NO ONE is near the FBL limit to worry about getting a ticket! If someone does get a ticket, it is more than likely they were way under paid for license max weight. From an RV point of view, and if someone loads to manufacture ratings or under, the chance of getting a ticket if paid for license is over this amount, and really really really slim! more than likely, not happening from THIS forums standpoint.
Some in the type A and C MH area, if they load to a 25K gawr, they will be over by upwards of 5K lbs, and be in a world of hurt, as I doubt too many of them can lose 5K lbs off that axel in the 8 hr max timeframe they have to lose the weight! This is the ONLY scenario I can think of that will get an RV'r in trouble.

marty

deltabravo wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
Anything in Washington st over 10k, be it gvw or gcw has to.follow truck speed limit max of 60 mph anywhere! Chains required over 10k where appropriate, whether you have a 4wd vehicle pulling trailer, or single dually 4we rig. Based on PAID for licenses,
Just because you are an RV per say, does not mean you can get away with out following some of the.commercial style rules.

Marty

I did not know that.

I'm not questioning the validity of your statement, just curious where I can ready that info - what's the RCW that makes the statement about following the posted "truck" speed limit when the vehicle is over 10k?

I do not know the rcw off the top of my head, BUT talking to many cveo, leo's from the SP, they have ALL told me this is true from the over 10K total. Most of what I have learned is from a couple of classes taught by CVEO's.
The chain up requirements is from a form I got many years ago via the SP office in North Bend Wa, when I was starting to pull my TT to snoqualmie summit. I have seen similar forms in Or, Id, and CA.
IIRC rcw 45.xxxxx is the weight law info.

Marty

deltabravo wrote:

fulltimedaniel wrote:
If you are in an RV you are not subject to these federal and state weight laws.

..unless you are towing or driving an RV for commercial purposes, like being an RV transporter... but then you'd have a DOT number and placard on your truck from the transport company... and in that scenario you are supposed to stop at every truck scale you encounter, if it's open.

In the case when i was doing it, I only had to put a higher weight rating on my vehicle registration for WA State, which is where the truck was licensed. I think I had it registered for 22k.

(someone in an earlier posted mentioned increasing the weight classification of your vehicle registration)

Actually, in Wa st, EVEN if pulling for personal pleasure, one must stay under the FBL's, have a high enough paid for license. Follow the truck speed limit of 60 mph even if it is legal to 70 for cars, assuming over 10K in any way shape or form. Need to chain up when signs say to do so over 10K. This will also include those under 10K, but paid for license is over 10K, or the max sum of truck and trailer can be over 10K........You do not need to go to scales, make up a log book etc. BUT, from a weight perspective and a few other things, yes one must follow the same rules regs etc.

marty

blt2ski wrote:
Anything in Washington st over 10k, be it gvw or gcw has to.follow truck speed limit max of 60 mph anywhere! Chains required over 10k where appropriate, whether you have a 4wd vehicle pulling trailer, or single dually 4we rig. Based on PAID for licenses,
Just because you are an RV per say, does not mean you can get away with out following some of the.commercial style rules.

Marty

I did not know that.

I'm not questioning the validity of your statement, just curious where I can ready that info - what's the RCW that makes the statement about following the posted "truck" speed limit when the vehicle is over 10k?

So who has actually had a citation or fine for an overweight RV rig?

fulltimedaniel wrote:
If you are in an RV you are not subject to these federal and state weight laws.

..unless you are towing or driving an RV for commercial purposes, like being an RV transporter... but then you'd have a DOT number and placard on your truck from the transport company... and in that scenario you are supposed to stop at every truck scale you encounter, if it's open.

In the case when i was doing it, I only had to put a higher weight rating on my vehicle registration for WA State, which is where the truck was licensed. I think I had it registered for 22k.

(someone in an earlier posted mentioned increasing the weight classification of your vehicle registration)

Searching_Ut wrote:
For those mentioning the risk of facing a lawsuit after an accident, if you look at how that sort of suit actually works, it's what you're worth that determines whether or not you get sued, not whether or not you're at actual fault. That said, I do use a dash cam as it's so common for folks to pull in right in front of you, often so close you can't even see their bumper below your hood.

I laugh at these theoritical lawsuit claims all the time. Anyone can be sued for anything at anytime.

What is "safer"... a half ton truck that is overloaded by 500 lbs, or a 1 ton truck that is loaded to the max of its GCWR? Why did you pick what you picked?

What will stop in a shorter distance... that overloaded half ton or that fully loaded 1 ton?

Now, what if the half ton had brand new tires and brand new brakes on it and the one ton truck was right at the wear bars and the brake rotors were at minimum spec.

Now, what if the driver of the half ton was a 35 year old, was a seasoned driver, and was giving full time and attention to the road and the driver of the one ton was 70 years old and distracted by the GPS, or confused about his exit, or simply having a naturally slower reaction due to his age.

Which vehicle is safer now, and why?

There are so many variables into safety, you cannot simply make a blanket argument that the over loaded half ton was UNSAFE simply because it was 500 lbs over its GCWR. You simply cannot make the argument that the 1 ton was SAFE because it was within its GCWR and within tire and brake specs (but at the razors edge of acceptable). The mere difference in age, weight, vehicle condition and reaction time between drivers/vehicles would account for potentially hundreds of feet of distance driven between the threat presenting itself (car pulling out in front of you) and your ability to react to the threat, and then your trucks ability to slow down sufficiently to lower the speed of impact or prevent a collision.

It is a PROVEN FACT that older drivers have a slower reaction time... that doesn't make older drivers inherently at fault and liable in civil court. This is all internet myth, contrived out of pieces of stories, third hand removed accounts and theory.

For non commercial drivers, you just have to ensure you comply with the license requirements of your state, and of course be under the extremely high weight standards already mentioned. A couple times when hitting the dunes in Glamis California, I've had to laugh at the poor folks with CA plates when they do set up the scales. They just wave us through with our out of state plates.

For those mentioning the risk of facing a lawsuit after an accident, if you look at how that sort of suit actually works, it's what you're worth that determines whether or not you get sued, not whether or not you're at actual fault. That said, I do use a dash cam as it's so common for folks to pull in right in front of you, often so close you can't even see their bumper below your hood.

Anything in Washington st over 10k, be it gvw or gcw has to.follow truck speed limit max of 60 mph anywhere! Chains required over 10k where appropriate, whether you have a 4wd vehicle pulling trailer, or single dually 4we rig. Based on PAID for licenses,
Just because you are an RV per say, does not mean you can get away with out following some of the.commercial style rules.

Marty