Tesla Cybertruck

fj12ryder wrote:

Reisender wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
I think it's pretty obvious we're looking at what amounts to an El Camino or Ranchero, not a real pickup. Many people use their pickups as strictly grocery getters or transportation, not hauling anything much at all.

I don’t see a “real pickup” as having anywhere near the facility as the cybertruck is projected to have with the exception of a “real pickup” being able to tow a fifth wheel or if you need a long box. But different people need pickups to do different things so there will be a market for the old stuff for a while yet. Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years.

Interesting that the RV market seems to be booming while you're asserting that it's doing the opposite. Unlikely that both can be happening. And you're merely reflecting wishful thinking I'm afraid.

And a "real pickup" has a bed separate from the cab so it can flex and not damage the structural integrity of the vehicle. With no such flexibility, the Tesla truck would be susceptible to damage if loaded with an unequal heavy load. As I said, grocery getters and soccer moms won't be bothered with that issue. There actually are reasons behind some design parameters. Ever watch the movement between the bed and cab when there is a serious load in the truck bed? Just because you wish it so, doesn't make it so.

My 08 Silverado doesnt flex at all with full load on,
so that argument about necesary flex doesnt fly.
Also
Id think Tesla engineers who also design Space X rockets know enough on how to build Unibody Exoskeleton with that hard 30x SSteel to make it strong enough not to flex or damage under any load

fj12ryder wrote:

Reisender wrote:
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I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.

Making sweeping statements on what direction the industry is headed by basing your experience on local conditions, is probably not very accurate.

Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.

That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.

Not hard to find production of RV's is down.
That doesn't even take into account that RV "sales" posted by the industry are the "sales" made to the dealers where they then sit on the lot waiting for a true "sale" to an actual consumer.

time2roll wrote:
What happens if I don't ever tow anything like most truck owners? :E

You will live happily ever after.

But meanwhile, for the next two years, you should worry to death that your future Cybertruck will have a loss of 60% of its range in case you are planning to use it for towing.:p

What happens if I don't ever tow anything like most truck owners? :E

Guessing you folks will have another 2 or more years to argue about Tusk's pickup

Maybe within those +2 years (maybe less if Tusk cracks the whip harder) folks will understand towing heavy with EV/BEV's isn't going to work until energy storage & charge systems gets better...much better

Roadandtrack Why Electric Cars Aren't Yet Great for Towing

p220sigman wrote:

wilber1 wrote:

p220sigman wrote:
Might be wrong, but I think the Ridgeline still has an in-bed box.

The 2020 has a conventional bed with a gap between cab and bed just like other pickups.

Ok. I haven't see a 2020 yet, but everything I have read said no significant changes. It will be interesting if they move to a conventional bed since the people I know that own one really like the in-bed storage.

My only comment about in bed storage was the difficulty of getting at things in the front over sloping side rails extending from the roof of the cab. I don't really know anything about their in bed storage. I was referring to the bed being integral with the cab on older Ridgelines. The new ones have a separate bed like other pickups so they can flex in the middle when carrying heavy loads.

fj12ryder wrote:

Reisender wrote:
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I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.

Making sweeping statements on what direction the industry is headed by basing your experience on local conditions, is probably not very accurate.

Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.

That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.

Fair enough. Point taken.

fj12ryder wrote:
"Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?"

Uh, is that even a serious question? A better question would be "When did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, actually did match actual performance?"

It's been my experience that copy writers and engineers rarely converse before the marketers start writing their copy.

You seem to have a knack on telling people what to ask or post or structure a sentence?

Are you a professor because I don't see you name signing a check as my boss, lol.

And you, I don't know why you also want to substitute your experience and observations with ours.

Yes, I worked for a global marketer, we bring the scientists, lawyers and marketers in one room to see to it that what represent as features and attributes are accurate -- the marketers and advertising people put in the hype but not untruth hyperbole.

Reisender wrote:
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I have no idea what the industry is going. But large fifth wheels are a small part of the RV industry where we live. No idea anywhere else. Most people want to go weekend camping at the local lakes where we live. Most common truck is an F150 or equivalent.

Making sweeping statements on what direction the industry is headed by basing your experience on local conditions, is probably not very accurate.

Probably sticking the acronym "IMO" in front of statements like "Fifth wheels are not near as common as they used to be with their biggest audience still being old boomers. That market will continually decline over the next ten years." would be a good idea.

That would let everyone know that it's not a fact-based statement, but only your opinion.

"Seriously, when did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, did not hold or even exceeded by actual performance?"

Uh, is that even a serious question? A better question would be "When did you see that paper figures, almost always conservative, actually did match actual performance?"

It's been my experience that copy writers and engineers rarely converse before the marketers start writing their copy.