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time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Okay, that is three utilities. Only 450+ left to go. Unless you want to admit that saying "The utilities themselves only welcome more EVs" is just an assumption and you don't have the word of all utilities to be able to confirm this?

So find one that is throwing shade on EVs and I will match with three that encourage EVs.

I din't make any comments saying they did or they didn't. You did. I just posted an article stating that most haven't even start planning for them.

So are we playing the game that if no one can prove you wrong then you are telling the truth? I would be careful opening that can of worms.

Why don't you just admit you over spoke when you said that the utilities want EV's because you have no way to back that up because you really don't know and are just going off of want you want to be true.

time2roll wrote:

The other one is mine, SCE, and they are also embracing EVs.

The whole whitewash we have been hearing since at least the '60s to give your appliances the afternoon off is just propaganda from the local government or regulators. Utilities want growth and this is the ticket to save them.

Look at the growth since 1950.... Then growth somehow stops about year 2000.
Why must it now become static? Why can we not grow the grid as we did for 50 years straight. The grid has NEVER been ready for 10 years in the future and yet we got there time and again.

I bet these people have never been to California and seen that every new home being built has solar. That even elementary schools from remote town have solar roof for their parking. Or entire row of buildings with solar on top and on their parking garages. Wind mills beside energy hog industries. We have 3 on the cement manufacturer I consulted on and the electricity bill drop when the winds are blowing vigorously.

California has reduced cancer rates in clean air initiatives so that LA is a global demonstration of pollution control that LA's joke "that we don't trust air that we can't see" no longer applies.

Or, the successful private health care system and government cooperation to reduce heart-attack rates with preventive measures and behavioral modifications (reduced smoking or total ban it in the state).

That's California's can do attitude against the Mr Magoo's of this country. No wonder we can be the 6th larger economy if we secede, lol.

ShinerBock wrote:
Okay, that is three utilities. Only 450+ left to go. Unless you want to admit that saying "The utilities themselves only welcome more EVs" is just an assumption and you don't have the word of all utilities to be able to confirm this?

So find one that is throwing shade on EVs and I will match with three that encourage EVs.

time2roll wrote:
Your question is already pre-answered in the graph.

Was 1950 producing 400 units ready for 1960 needing 1400 units or more than double the 1950 grid?

This is not a 'build and they will come' scenario. This is a 'they are coming so get busy and build'

But not much growth in 15 years so maybe they have forgotten how to build anything new. You might be right.

So.... where are the articles and websites from the rest of the 450+ utilities saying they want EV's?

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

And I thought we already agree that this is not for you? You can't afford it, it's too difficult, there are not enough charging stations, there are few mega-chargers yet, you don't want long lines, you don't want to wait for charging, utilities won't provide the capacity... and life is too grim to go out of your room anyways to contemplate the future.

Psst, I'll tell you a secret, it's already happening and every car company and his brother are going into this.

And here are the locations for chargers and superchargers. Which place is your friend going where you want Elon to build one for you, lol.

And sunshine and rainbows land where everyone gets participation trophy's anything is possible.

Psst. You want to know a secret... I am not against EV's especially in cars. I just don't drink the Elon Kool aide because he tends to over promise many things which is one reason why he was forced to resign by the SEC. Unlike the fanboys who don't want to admit it, I understand that there are many hurtles we have to overcome to get there. But have fun in la la land, at least you have people in the real world like me solving your problems for you because I am willing to identify them.

Your question is already pre-answered in the graph.

Was 1950 producing 400 units ready for 1960 needing 1400 units or more than double the 1950 grid?

This is not a 'build and they will come' scenario. This is a 'they are coming so get busy and build'

But not much growth in 15 years so maybe they have forgotten how to build anything new. You might be right.

time2roll wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Forget the survey monkeys and self proclaimed pundits. Check with your actual utility. Is SATX San Antonio TX? Is that CPS energy?

CPS Energy is embracing plug-in vehicles

Jersey Central seems to encourage EVs

As for that single wire power transmission line.... is your phone still on a party line too? Perfect reason to pull the other two wires and get proper three phase power to your area. How long do you plan to have this out dated line limit the local economy and growth? Dang it this is America... get moving already. We were once a nation of doers instead of whiners.

So two utilities speak for all 500+ utilities?

No. I just chose the two that seemed relevent to the comments and locations of the immediate discussion. You are right the other 497 could be all negative to expand services revenue and profit.

The other one is mine, SCE, and they are also embracing EVs.

The whole whitewash we have been hearing since at least the '60s to give your appliances the afternoon off is just propaganda from the local government or regulators. Utilities want growth and this is the ticket to save them.

Look at the growth since 1950.... Then growth somehow stops about year 2000.
Why must it now become static? Why can we not grow the grid as we did for 50 years straight. The grid has NEVER been ready for 10 years in the future and yet we got there time and again.

Okay, that is three utilities. Only 450+ left to go. Unless you want to admit that saying "The utilities themselves only welcome more EVs" is just an assumption and you don't have the word of all utilities to be able to confirm this? While you are add it, why don't you ask them if they are actually ready for EV's so you can hear it directly from the source since you want to dismiss the SEPA report stating so.

ShinerBock wrote:


Is this a rhetorical question only looking for postives or are you actually looking for real world answers?

Most of those places won't work for someone towing an RV and other trailers unless they unhook. If too many people have EV's then you run into the scenario of too many people using them so you have to put more chargers out there. Then you run into the utilities issue I stated earlier because the lines in most areas will not be big enough to transfer that much energy.

And I thought we already agree that this is not for you? You can't afford it, it's too difficult, there are not enough charging stations, there are few mega-chargers yet, you don't want long lines, you don't want to wait for charging, utilities won't provide the capacity... and life is too grim to go out of your room anyways to contemplate the future.

Psst, I'll tell you a secret, it's already happening and every car company and his brother are going into this.

And here are the locations for chargers and superchargers. Which place is your friend going where you want Elon to build one for you, lol.

https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&search=usa&bounds=47.32585748171145%2C-85.24132533166977%2C35.28382120624944%2C-115.03624720666977&filters=destination%20charger%2Csupercharger&zoom=6

ShinerBock wrote:

time2roll wrote:
Forget the survey monkeys and self proclaimed pundits. Check with your actual utility. Is SATX San Antonio TX? Is that CPS energy?

CPS Energy is embracing plug-in vehicles

Jersey Central seems to encourage EVs

As for that single wire power transmission line.... is your phone still on a party line too? Perfect reason to pull the other two wires and get proper three phase power to your area. How long do you plan to have this out dated line limit the local economy and growth? Dang it this is America... get moving already. We were once a nation of doers instead of whiners.

So two utilities speak for all 500+ utilities?

No. I just chose the two that seemed relevent to the comments and locations of the immediate discussion. You are right the other 497 could be all negative to expand services revenue and profit.

The other one is mine, SCE, and they are also embracing EVs.

The whole whitewash we have been hearing since at least the '60s to give your appliances the afternoon off is just propaganda from the local government or regulators. Utilities want growth and this is the ticket to save them.

Look at the growth since 1950.... Then growth somehow stops about year 2000.
Why must it now become static? Why can we not grow the grid as we did for 50 years straight. The grid has NEVER been ready for 10 years in the future and yet we got there time and again.

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Yosemite Sam1 wrote:


Now you just transitioned from wet blanket to a whiner!

Wow, even more insults!

I am not and just having fun with your Mr Magoo comments, but if you are, you are welcome to it!

What else can't be done, difficult or impossible to do?

What else is all sunshine and rainbows in safe space where nobody wants to admit reality because it hurts their feelings?