The real HP/TQ numbers this is going to hurt!

EstorilM wrote:

Tiger02 wrote:
These fellas seem to be fixated on torque much more so than HP. The Ford had almost 50 HP over the Dodge. With torque management and driveline variances it is a wash, even with the Chevy. The GM trucks are the best looking, and if the deal was right they would still get much consideration in my book.

The box that hasn't changed in 20yr is the best looking?

A new HD RAM coming up behind you on the highway w/ parking/cab lights on all cleaned up is about the most intimidating rig I've ever seen - blackout slant nose face lift and all.

They were the first to mold the dually flares into the vehicle, and first to have a MAJOR redesign w/ that ram front end.

Everything else kinda looks like a progression of the same stuff, with larger lights, badges, and grills.


Anyways - yeah anyone that hauls should care more about torque than HP. Especially low-end torque. Ford did a great job optimizing low-end torque on the new 6.7, but the older motors didn't generate torque till much higher. The cummins has always had class-leading low-end torque, which is just a given with a straight-six engine. A good auto trans is ideally-suited to take advantage of that low-end torque. Also why these motors are famous in boats and power-generation.

You need to do a little research. I am sure GM had the dually flares intigrated several years before Ram.

Also the 2017 Duramax makes more peak torque at a lower rpm Than the 2017 Ram.

The Duramax makes 60 more horsepower at the same 2800 rpm as the Cummins makes it's Max horsepower.