Tires again

CapriRacer wrote:
I am reminded of the blind men examining an elephant. Each thinks he knows the nature of the animal, but each is only feeling the part nearest to him - and ignoring what other people are saying about the part they feel.

It is important that everyone understand what part of the tire animal we can see and feel - and if you can't see the entire picture, we need to be sensitive to that fact.

Barry, Great analogy,
as long as all of the blind men are describing the parts of the elephant, and most of the blind men are smart enough to know to not listen to, but question the blind man describing the trunk while he standing there with the elephants dung between his toes…

I am reminded of the blind men examining an elephant. Each thinks he knows the nature of the animal, but each is only feeling the part nearest to him - and ignoring what other people are saying about the part they feel.

It is important that everyone understand what part of the tire animal we can see and feel - and if you can't see the entire picture, we need to be sensitive to that fact.

Francesca Knowles wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:

Would any "Permanent Maxxis War" folks care to express an opinion/offer advice as to the original question?

NO...NADA....No.....NO....

Well, fa cryin' out loud- if ya don't want to answer the O.P.'s question, are ya just mixin' in for The GLORY???? :B

Yep, that's it!:)

CKNSLS wrote:

Francesca Knowles wrote:

Would any "Permanent Maxxis War" folks care to express an opinion/offer advice as to the original question?

NO...NADA....No.....NO....

Well, fa cryin' out loud- if ya don't want to answer the O.P.'s question, are ya just mixin' in for The GLORY???? :B

Francesca Knowles wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

WHAT'S YOUR POINT? ....snippety-snip snip -snip major snipping here... Your posts are full of half-truths as well...your bias towards Maxxis and the context of some of your posts speak for themselves.

:h

What, if I may ask, is YOUR point, CK?

And to all:
How on Earth did this turn into a big ol' push-tug thing about Maxxis tires????

Here, a reminder of the very simple question posed by the O.P.:

rsmith159 wrote:
Hi everybody. I want to replace the tires on a 2008 trailer I just purchased. I have a chance to get four new tires already mounted on beautiful seven spoke aliminum wheels. The tires are branded as H188ST with no other information. Does anyone know anything about these tires and their reliability?

Rick in Cobourg

Would any "Permanent Maxxis War" folks care to express an opinion/offer advice as to the original question?

NO...NADA....No.....NO....

I wouldn't pay for tredit. Also, this website is the first place in my life I have ever heard of maxxis tires. So far, 3, 000 miles in the last 7 months, I am happy with my gy marathons. :)

On page 2 LOWSUV said :
" The single best action when replacing tires is to increase your load weight ratings as posted on the sidewall of all ST tires .
If your weight rating on your current tires is 1820 # there are several options to get a 2271 # weight rating in 14 inch and 15 inch tires .
Your tire budget is better served by upgrading the Tires first and the wheels second .
TTs are parked 90 % of the time .
Who cares if the wheels are flashy for 328 days a year under your carport ?
If the Tredit tires are an upgrade in weight rating then that might be a good deal .
If the same weight rating as your current tires then I would reconsider and spend the money for bigger ratings for that time I am driving across the desert in 115 degree heat . "

That seems like a rational answer to me because nobody so far has admitted to buying Tredit Bias Ply tires .

CKNSLS wrote:

WHAT'S YOUR POINT? ....snippety-snip snip -snip major snipping here... Your posts are full of half-truths as well...your bias towards Maxxis and the context of some of your posts speak for themselves.

:h

What, if I may ask, is YOUR point, CK?

And to all:
How on Earth did this turn into a big ol' push-tug thing about Maxxis tires????

Here, a reminder of the very simple question posed by the O.P.:

rsmith159 wrote:
Hi everybody. I want to replace the tires on a 2008 trailer I just purchased. I have a chance to get four new tires already mounted on beautiful seven spoke aliminum wheels. The tires are branded as H188ST with no other information. Does anyone know anything about these tires and their reliability?

Rick in Cobourg

Would any "Permanent Maxxis War" folks care to express an opinion/offer advice as to the original question?

JJBIRISH wrote:

CKNSLS wrote:

JJBIRISH wrote:
First of all there are a few obvious Maxxis detractors that make sure to post to every trailer tire thread
They have never offered a reason for their dislike of Maxxis other than they weren’t their choice and that somehow diminishes the good results so many others have had with them…
They offer unavailable testing of totally different type of tires that were tested against tires in the high speed category for sports cars as proof… the results if these test have absolutely no bearing on the quality of trailer tires period or on any other type of LT tire... it is unrelated, un meaningful words used to muddy the waters in these discussions ONLY…

They mention 19 failures of Maxxis tires as proof of bad quality, but make no mention that many if not most or even if any of the failures mentioned those failures, were caused by age, road damage, or run with low air pressure… again it is just too muddy the water and to provide cover their unproven opinions…

One points to and recommends the new Carlisle as the greatest thing since the wheel… while I hope he is right they are new and have no track record to stand on at all… if they are so good, I have to wonder why Carlisle the tire company sold them out to another company before their track record began to look like it old track record did… so now with the new owners that clock has to start anew and his cross-country trips were made on the now old new Carlisle tire…

The person that made the comment,
“Are Maxxis are cheap Taiwanese******with a Chinese plant as opposed to cheap Chinese******straight up?”
only proves his lack of knowledge of geography and where the tire is made to begin with…
Maxxix8008 is made totally made by Maxxis in Thailand… the pass was earned by being the only trailer tire company to build the tire to a higher standard and not cave to the OEM industries pressure to build the cheapest tire possible, and why they are not often found on new trailers…
The true facts are they isn’t a single person here that can point to comparative testing on trailer tires because it has never been done…
There isn’t a single person here that knows the failure rate, or the rate for types of failures of trailer tires, and that includes people in the tire industry… these test haven’t been done and the normal method of keeping track of returned warrant tires for other tires types are flawed and wouldn’t work for ST tires…

Lacking testing an information from the industry all we really have to go by are others experience, and this is how Maxxis has earned a good and growing better reputation… anyone that says otherwise is reading different forums or only reading what they want to into their assessments…

And as I believe intentional misleading to bolster a false claim is equivalent to lying and yes there are some liars that continually post on this…

You have no idea what has caused the majority of Maxxis failures. Just like those who bash other brands of ST tires have no idea what caused those failures. In addition, Maxxis has such a limited distribution system, for whatever reasons-please elaborate on how they will grow their brand. If Maxxis is indeed building to a "higher standard" whatever that means, then maybe they should build tires like everyone else because they certainly are not proving to being more reliable than any other ST tires. A 3 inch nail will take out an ST tire regardless of how much it weighs....period.

There are plenty of half truths floating around this board...including statements in your own posts.

If I am posting half-truths, expose them…

Copying is the best form of flattery I guess… My Maxxis have been made with the cap plys for years and for Carlisle and a few others to now decide to include it must say something…
The thing is all of them have known the importance of the cap ply in radial tire construction since the 70s…

Carlisle no longer makes or builds Carlisle tires as of 2014… truth or not???

so it’s true that neither I or you know the cause of the failures mentioned, and without that, counting and mentioning the number of failures seems to be an attempt at making a statistic where one doesn’t exist… half-truth statistic???

Point me to a meaningful single test or data collection on quality information or failure rates dedicated to the ST trailer tire, they don’t exist even in the industry…

OK- an investment company bought Carlisle Tires? WHAT'S YOUR POINT? The production facilities, new designs are all the same. SO? Obviously, the investment company saw money to be made. Do you understand business 101? You can conjecture all day long as to why that particular manufacturing branch was sold off-BUT NONE OF US KNOW DO WE? Maxxis inventories ZERO TIRES IN CANADA. No big deal there either-SO? I am not going to get in to a pis**ng contest over your bias towards MAXXIS. Your posts are full of half-truths as well...your bias towards Maxxis and the context of some of your posts speak for themselves.

FastEagle