Torklift tie downs with Happijac Quick loads?

SideHillSoup wrote:
3/8” rubber mat in the back of the truck, spray in bed liners are not made or should I say were not designed to be used to carry a camper. The camper will slide around with a spray in bed liner, my son in law had one. He now has a rubber bed liner which works far better. I still get a little movement of the camper ( a little) maybe 1/4” to 3/8” but I’m always checking and adjusting my fast guns if required. I find I have to adjust them more when traveling on logging roads, but a good wind will also make Camper adjustments while traveling down the Hwy.
I have Torklift fastguns and love them. No holes in the body of the truck. Yes they cost money, but everything does.
Soup.

Has zilch to do with comparing the Fast Guns to the Quick Loads. Both impact the tie down's not the mounts.

Myself, I'd rather spend a hundred bucks than 400 for basically the same thing. Only difference is they don't say Tork Lift on the handle....lol

Kayteg.. The problem with excessive tension on the front tie down's is you can literally pull the mounting lug out of the camper if the lug is weak from rot or if your camper bounces (like on a rough road), something I'd be concerned about.

That is a non issue with me

Actually had that happen with the Lance, I didn't pull the mount, I pulled the hook out of the HJ tie down, hit a whoop on a 2 lane.

SidecarFlip wrote:
One thing I find imteresting is the TL front tie downs on most trucks are almost vertical, whereas my HJ's are at a substantial angle. It's my contention that when the tie down point are almost vertical, that contributes to camper movement. Maybe I'm all wet but I don't think so.

It does.
My Lance has bracket pretty forward and TL tie-down could not be used with front hole due the jacks.
So with small ties angle the camper "walk" back. I had shims under who did not move, so my only explanation that on long drive the propulsion was moving the camper back.
Putting additional tension on the springs seem to solve the issue.
Than I run into camper selling photo where ties were close to vertical like on the picture above.
The camper had nylon strap added between rear legs and attached somewhere behind the cabin.

One thing I find imteresting is the TL front tie downs on most trucks are almost vertical, whereas my HJ's are at a substantial angle. It's my contention that when the tie down point are almost vertical, that contributes to camper movement. Maybe I'm all wet but I don't think so.

Here is my take and everyone can agree or not, makes me no difference.

Back in 97 when I bought my F350 CC diesel, Tork Lift wasn't around. You had a choice of stake pocket mounts or HappiJac. I went with the HJ's. Been through 2 campers now, a Lance 915 and now my Palomino. The Lance was heavy, the Palomino isn't but none the less, neither camper has ever moved in the bed and I do serious off roading all the time.

No bed mat, just a Line X spray in bed liner and both campers rested on that.

Last year I wanted to upgrade to quick attach and release cam lock (over center buckles and I looked at the Tork Lift Fast Guns as the HappiJac Quick loads, Considering the HJ Quick Loads are $100.00 for a set of 4 whereas the TL version is 400 bucks for 4, was a no brainer for me, I bought the HJ Quickloads,

The 2 are basically the same units but the HL handles don't have to stay attached. I actually carry ONE handle in the side box, Thats it. You slip the handle in the buckle and release. Easy peasy. and the HJ's have a pin through securement as well. Work fine for me and were a helluva lot less moolah. Being retired, money don't grow on trees for me.

I have a spray in liner already. Will do the bed mat, but wondered if universal is fine, or do I need to buy for specific truck since the bed of the camper lies down center of truck? Torklift frame mounts are on the horizon, but wanted to know if the Torklift Fastguns were necessary or whether I could buy Happijac Qwik Loads instead.

3/8” rubber mat in the back of the truck, spray in bed liners are not made or should I say were not designed to be used to carry a camper. The camper will slide around with a spray in bed liner, my son in law had one. He now has a rubber bed liner which works far better. I still get a little movement of the camper ( a little) maybe 1/4” to 3/8” but I’m always checking and adjusting my fast guns if required. I find I have to adjust them more when traveling on logging roads, but a good wind will also make Camper adjustments while traveling down the Hwy.
I have Torklift fastguns and love them. No holes in the body of the truck. Yes they cost money, but everything does.
Soup.

Bedliner is excelent if you use the truck for gravel and garbage hauling, but you have to accept the looks.
I order new truck with 2-tone white pearl paint and black liner did not fit my desire, so try to visualize the truck before getting it changed permanently.
Factory Ford mats are very nice (although heavy) and protect the bed floor better than anything.
Coming to quick loads, only lately I found that this is what I've been using for several years as I took them for older model of Fastguns.
They work with my 6000lb camper just fine, although I actually bend rear tie-down when Quick load show no stress.
I ditto Bedlam's comment about checking new truck height v/s camper clearances.
With my new F350 and older Lance camper I had to add 3" shim on top of factory mat to clear the railings.
The basement Fleetwood on other hand clears taller truck with only 3/4" of plywood.

A spray in bed liner works well, but is not a replacement for a thin bed mat (like from DeeZee). The HappiJac turnbuckles will work with the Torklift frame tie downs, but may be short and require a chain to bridge that gap. Make sure what ever turnbuckles you choose have a spring load on them rather fastening the camper hard to the truck - This will allow both the camper and truck to flex without trying to tear each other apart.

If the camper is older, it may have some fitment problems on a new truck which you should verify prior to driving out to buy it:
1. The cab over need to sit a couple inches higher than your cab roof to allow for movement. This can be remedied with high density foam between the truck bed and rubber mat.
2. The tailgate opening may be too narrow for some campers that bump out past the rear wheel wells.

I would be looking at a spray on bed liner in place of the mat.
Weight of the camper would be big question. I think the Torklift are rated for a heavier camper then the Happijacks.
Torklifts are frme mounted where many of the Happijacks are body mounted needing to drill holes..