Torque wars continue in the diesels

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
My point is because you say something does it make it so? Fish is claiming Fords engine and trans are MD. My point is Cummins and AISIN are BOTH used in many different MD applications NOT just RAM.

THAT is what "I" claim they are TRUE MD.

That is only if you live in fanboy world(which both of you are guilty of). With that kind of messed up logic, then one could say that the PACCAR MX and PX engines are not really medium/heavy duty engines since they are not available in any other vehicles besides PACCAR vehicles (Peterbilt and Kenworth). Or that Detroit Diesels are not really medium/heavy duty since they are no longer available in any other vehicle than Diamler Truck vehicles(Freightliner and Western Star). Or that the MACK MP engines and mDrive & Maxitorque transmissions are not medium/heavy duty since they are not available in any other vehicle besides a MACK. See how silly that sounds?

In the real world where most of us live, logic and reason get to decide what is true or not. In that world, the Ford Powestroke and Torqshift are available in medium/heavy duty trucks just like the MACK engines and transmission are so that classifies them as medium duty engine and transmission as well.

Nice to read a sane and logical post here once and a while. It seems some lose all objectivity when they have the brand loyalty tunnel vision.

ShinerBock wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:



I have said this for years. Cummins has made some bad engines so nothing is perfect,

chevman

And so has GM and Ford. All of them have also made some good ones.

Yes this is true for all brands.

chevman

Ford uses the Powerdtroke in their F750 and backs it with a 250,000 mile warranty while putting out 330 hp I think it is pretty hard to claim that the 6.7 Powerstoke/TorqShift doesn't meet the criteria of being medium duty. The fluid change interval of the Torqshift is 150,000 miles while being used in an F750......How often does the Aisin need servicing in a pick up truck?

Cummins12V98 wrote:
My point is because you say something does it make it so? Fish is claiming Fords engine and trans are MD. My point is Cummins and AISIN are BOTH used in many different MD applications NOT just RAM.

THAT is what "I" claim they are TRUE MD.

That is only if you live in fanboy world(which both of you are guilty of). With that kind of messed up logic, then one could say that the PACCAR MX and PX engines are not really medium/heavy duty engines since they are not available in any other vehicles besides PACCAR vehicles (Peterbilt and Kenworth). Or that Detroit Diesels are not really medium/heavy duty since they are no longer available in any other vehicle than Diamler Truck vehicles(Freightliner and Western Star). Or that the MACK MP engines and mDrive & Maxitorque transmissions are not medium/heavy duty since they are not available in any other vehicle besides a MACK. See how silly that sounds?

In the real world where most of us live, logic and reason get to decide what is true or not. In that world, the Ford Powestroke and Torqshift are available in medium/heavy duty trucks just like the MACK engines and transmission are so that classifies them as medium duty engine and transmission as well.

larry barnhart wrote:



I have said this for years. Cummins has made some bad engines so nothing is perfect,

chevman

And so has GM and Ford. All of them have also made some good ones.

My point is because you say something does it make it so? Fish is claiming Fords engine and trans are MD. My point is Cummins and AISIN are BOTH used in many different MD applications NOT just RAM.

THAT is what "I" claim they are TRUE MD.

ShinerBock wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
And towing just got easier with the medium duty 6.7 Power Stroke and Torque Shift transmission.

Who besides ford uses it in a MD application?

Why does that matter?

Cummins is an engine manufacturer who sells their engine to truck manufactures. Ford is a truck manufacturer so it should not be surprising that they don't sell their engines to other competing truck manufacturers. That would be stupid.

I have said this for years. Cummins has made some bad engines so nothing is perfect,

chevman

Cummins12V98 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
And towing just got easier with the medium duty 6.7 Power Stroke and Torque Shift transmission.

Who besides ford uses it in a MD application?

Why does that matter?

Cummins is an engine manufacturer who sells their engine to truck manufactures. Ford is a truck manufacturer so it should not be surprising that they don't sell their engines to other competing truck manufacturers. That would be stupid.

ksss wrote:
Typically the medium duty trucks get detuned from the 350 version, so this is interesting. They must have a lot of faith in the truck or they have the computer dialed in to the point that it will prevent its own destruction. The GM/IH medium duty trucks will available for order this Spring, I am told. Should be interesting to see how the spec sheet compares.

The reason why they are detuned has more to do with the different emissions certification requirements between the pickup truck and the different cab & chassis combinations. Complete trucks use a chassis dyno certification while cab & chassis use a engine dyno certification since the chassis is not complete. They also have different power levels in the cab & chassis trucks depending on the specs and what it is rated to carry. It has very little to do with dependability.

FishOnOne wrote:
And towing just got easier with the medium duty 6.7 Power Stroke and Torque Shift transmission.

Who besides ford uses it in a MD application?