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- APTExplorerThe 2009+ Ram 1500's have the lowest payload in the half ton class. It's not the IRS specifically as the 2014 2500 also has IRS with over 3000 pounds of payload and somewhere around 10k GVWR. The 1500 Springs are just weak, and I'm not sure where the axle ratings stand with respect to GVWR/loading. Ram offers the air suspensino for 2013+ models now, but GVWR is still 6800 pounds at most, less that a comparable standard 7200 pound GVWR Ford/GM truck. Then Ford/GM offer higher payload improving options that no one else does.
If you insist on a half ton, then the Ford Ecoboost with HD payload/8200 pound GVWR is a good choice for what RV companies claim as "half ton towable 5ers". 1000-ish pound dry pin weight. Going to a 3/4 ton gasser adds about $2000 to a comparably equipped (like web site build and price) half ton last time I speced them out. Diesel options are another $8-9k, so $10k more for a diesel 3/4 ton over half ton is about right. There are plenty of 3/4 to 1-ton gassers happily pulling 10-12k pound 5ers. - camp-n-familyExplorer
There's only about a 200lb difference between the 5.7 Hemi Ram and the 3.0 diesel Ram. Just go to the Ram 1500 towing guide and pick your model. I choose the Big Horn and the 3.0 has 204lbs less payload. 1205lbs to 1409lbs.
None of which have enough payload to carry even the lightest of fifth wheels. - nohurryExplorerredwing, I may have missed it, but did you say why you aren't considering a "bumper pull" travel trailer? Just seems like you could get a nicer one that would easily fall into your trucks capabilities. Just sayin.
- redwingncExplorerIt is a regular cab 2 WD shortbed -- got it off the 2011 Dodge Ram Pickup Towing Chart on their website -- thanks.
- Eng208Explorer
redwingnc wrote:
Thanks for the response -- payload rating is 1670. I have taken into consideration the "stuff" I will put in the trailer, so I know I can't buy one more than about 6300-6400 lbs.....there will be just 2 people using it.
May have already been addressed, didn't have time to read through 5 pages of threads to check. Where are you getting the 1670 lb payload? I don't see what configuration truck you have, but I do know that figure is only about 100 lbs from my new 2500 diesel Ram payload. I highly doubt your 1500 is going to have that kind of payload unless it is a regular cab 2wd short bed. You have to weigh your truck, then subtract that from the GVWR to figure payload. - goducks10ExplorerThere's only about a 200lb difference between the 5.7 Hemi Ram and the 3.0 diesel Ram. Just go to the Ram 1500 towing guide and pick your model. I choose the Big Horn and the 3.0 has 204lbs less payload. 1205lbs to 1409lbs.
- texasdiverExplorer
camp-n-family wrote:
new Ram 1500 diesel, especially in the 2x4 versions
You can drop that from the "able" list. The payload is as low as 859lbs on some body styles up to a little over 1300lbs! From another post;
http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27531792.cfm
Well, OK. I didn't actually look that one up. I was just listing it as an example of an efficient engine. Why is the payload so small? Is it an especially heavy engine? Or are they just tossing it into especially lightweight trucks to juice the mileage?
That said, there are definitely Ford and GM half ton trucks available with payloads exceeding 2,000 lbs and that only promises to increase with the new lighter body trucks coming out, especially from Ford. A lot of people are going to be buying them and I expect a lot of people will be using them for towing. - camp-n-familyExplorer
new Ram 1500 diesel, especially in the 2x4 versions
You can drop that from the "able" list. The payload is as low as 859lbs on some body styles up to a little over 1300lbs! From another post;
http://www.rv.net/forums/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/27531792.cfm - texasdiverExplorer
kzspree320 wrote:
I think what he was trying to say above was if you buy a small enough fiver that a half ton truck might marginally work, then you could get the heavier components and additional payload capacity of the 3/4 ton gas truck for very little extra. It was an oranges to oranges (gas to gas) comparison. Although I love my Cummins, you don't necessarily need a diesel if the fiver is small enough that it might to able to be pulled by a half ton truck. A lot of the 3/4 tons actually cost less than many maxed out half tons, but can carry much more payload. Good luck.
That makes sense to some extent. Although as someone shopping for a truck and camper package it seems there are really 3 logical "tiers" so to speak.
1/2 Ton. One can pair a reasonably we'll equipped 1/2 ton that has adequate engine and payload with a smaller lightweight 5th wheel. Although one would want to keep careful eye on the payload numbers. Some possible choices might be the Ford EcoBoost or new Ram 1500 diesel, especially in the 2x4 versions. The advantage is a more agile and economical daily driver. And considerable cost savings. Not everyone wants a giant camper, especially for infrequent or weekend type use. Although someone going down this route might better consider a bumper pull trailer. Something like a 30' airstream with an efficient 1/2 ton truck is a hard to beat combo.
3/4 or 1 ton SRW. A whole lot of people are driving around with medium weight 5th wheels towed by 3/4 ton or 1 ton SRW diesel trucks. Lots of argument about whether this is ideal. But fact of the matter is that the majority of 5th wheels in 2000-3000 lb pin weight and lower teens towing weight are being hauled around by 3/4 ton diesel SRW trucks. Or better yet F350/3500 SRW trucks. This seems to be the standard option and going this route will probably run $20-$30 grand more for truck, camper, heavier hitch, etc. This route leaves one with the biggest truck that can be reasonably be driven around as a daily driver for most folks. For me it would be the biggest truck I could possibly park in my garage which is one of my requirements.
1 ton Dually. This it the heavyweight option that will to most 5th wheels that should be towed and I suspect the way to go for those who are living the full time or near full time lifestyle with heavy trailers piled full of possessions. If one lives in the country and has limitless parking space this sort of truck is appealing. But for a lot of urban and suburbanites with limited parking space and need for daily driving in more congested environments this is a less appealing option. I simply have no way to park a DRW truck and so simply can't contemplate buying one.
Yes one can certainly buy a bigger truck than one needs. I've seen 1 ton diesels pulling little12' popups. And people say you can never have too much truck. But I think it is quite reasonable to shop for any of the above matched sets. If circumstances change one can always buy something different in the future. - kzspree320ExplorerI think what he was trying to say above was if you buy a small enough fiver that a half ton truck might marginally work, then you could get the heavier components and additional payload capacity of the 3/4 ton gas truck for very little extra. It was an oranges to oranges (gas to gas) comparison. Although I love my Cummins, you don't necessarily need a diesel if the fiver is small enough that it might to able to be pulled by a half ton truck. A lot of the 3/4 tons actually cost less than many maxed out half tons, but can carry much more payload. Good luck.
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