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- So the Toyota and the Nissan are going to use the Cummins 5.0 V-8 :h ?
Looks like Cummins learned you don't sign a no competition contract like they have with Chrysler. Still think that's a whole lot of engine for a LD pickup.
Don BroncosFan wrote:
hone eagle wrote:
Don't look at all the same to me
edmunds beat you to it this summer...
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/toyota-eyes-cummins-diesel-engine-for-tundra.html
Thats what I get for camping all summer far from cell phones and internet connections:Srjstractor wrote:
Ford has a 3.2 liter 5 cylinder diesel going into their Transit van for 2015. So at least the US emissions engineering is done for that motor.
The Irony is the 3.2 cannot be upgraded to Euro 6 , but is OK for US regulations. I think Euro 6 appears to be real mountain to climb.hone eagle wrote:
Don't look at all the same to me
edmunds beat you to it this summer...
http://www.edmunds.com/car-news/toyota-eyes-cummins-diesel-engine-for-tundra.htmlOH48Lt wrote:
The spread between 87 octane gas and diesel is over $1 a gallon presently. Regular gas here is as low as $2.769, most places locally at 2.899. Diesel is $3.899, except for one station at 3.799 and the Pilots at 3.979.
A 1/2 ton diesel pickup will never take off. If you need a diesel, you need more than a 1/2 truck. The $$ spread between diesel and gas, both the fuel and the initial purchase, will never pay off, unless they invent a diesel that gets 40+ mpg in a 1/2 ton truck. Even then, you still have a 1/2 ton truck.
Might want to fill your tanks up gas is jumping to $3.53 average per Gas Buddy for our area! Shell reg @ Secor & Monroe was $2.77.9 this morning!
Don- National average currently is $3.18 regular 87oct, $3.82 #2 diesel. (source- AAA)
Not a full $1.00 ($0.64) but annoying nonetheless. OH48Lt wrote:
That kind of spread is not true where I live. Gas is still way over $3. and diesel is at $3.75. Found the same to be true a month ago on a trip to Montana.
The spread between 87 octane gas and diesel is over $1 a gallon presently. Regular gas here is as low as $2.769, most places locally at 2.899. Diesel is $3.899, except for one station at 3.799 and the Pilots at 3.979.
A 1/2 ton diesel pickup will never take off. If you need a diesel, you need more than a 1/2 truck. The $$ spread between diesel and gas, both the fuel and the initial purchase, will never pay off, unless they invent a diesel that gets 40+ mpg in a 1/2 ton truck. Even then, you still have a 1/2 ton truck.rjstractor wrote:
PerrysburgDodgeboy wrote:
So how long before GM and Ford pulls their collective heads out of their backsides!
Maybe they are playing wait and see? Hard to tell how the Ram and Nissan trucks will do in the real world because nobody actually has one yet. I don't know about GM, but Ford has a 3.2 liter 5 cylinder diesel going into their Transit van for 2015. So at least the US emissions engineering is done for that motor.
But like others have said, what good does it do to get 8 mpg better when the fuel costs anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar more?
I still think the "diesel in a half ton truck" movement is being driven by the EPA CAFE regulations that require the manufacturers to include the light duty trucks in their "fleet" fuel economy calculations. A diesel engine allows them to boost fuel mileage without radically changing the truck structure (weight reduction) and its towing/payload capabilities. If a manufacturer can't improve the fuel economy of the light truck it sells (and remember, most half tons sold today are not used for work or towing on a regular basis)and meet CAFE standards, the only option they would have is to cease production, unless they come up with some incredible fuel "sipping" technology breakthrough. Ford is currently tackling the problem with their Ecoboost powertrain, the others are (Ram & Nissan) are attempting the diesel route. Only time and market activity will tell...................PerrysburgDodgeboy wrote:
So how long before GM and Ford pulls their collective heads out of their backsides!
Maybe they are playing wait and see? Hard to tell how the Ram and Nissan trucks will do in the real world because nobody actually has one yet. I don't know about GM, but Ford has a 3.2 liter 5 cylinder diesel going into their Transit van for 2015. So at least the US emissions engineering is done for that motor.
But like others have said, what good does it do to get 8 mpg better when the fuel costs anywhere from 50 cents to a dollar more?OH48Lt wrote:
The spread between 87 octane gas and diesel is over $1 a gallon presently. Regular gas here is as low as $2.769, most places locally at 2.899. Diesel is $3.899, except for one station at 3.799 and the Pilots at 3.979.
A 1/2 ton diesel pickup will never take off. If you need a diesel, you need more than a 1/2 truck. The $$ spread between diesel and gas, both the fuel and the initial purchase, will never pay off, unless they invent a diesel that gets 40+ mpg in a 1/2 ton truck. Even then, you still have a 1/2 ton truck.
Good observation; diesel sales, car and truck, are not going to be helped along by that big of a spread in fuel prices.
What it's going to cause is a lot of consumers to pencil it out-- if I get 30mpg paying $3.80 a gallon is there any savings over getting 24mpg at $3.00?
The fuel price spread is going to prevent folks from knee-jerk reactions of "30mpg! Gotta have it!" as would happen if diesel & 87oct were priced the same.
Back in 2008 I sold my 2002 7.3L F250 simply because I couldn't stomach $4.85/gal or whatever obscene price they wanted for diesel fuel at the time. No other reason-- liked the truck just fine, just couldn't justify the operating cost vs the benefit.
