Toyota Diesel ---- Will They Ever?

colliehauler wrote:
I can't see the small Diesel market expanding in the US with all the advancements in gas and electric technology. Even large OTR rigs are going to clean burn technology such as natural gas.

I think the US is on a seperate path, compared to the rest of the world. At that being said they do use Natural Gas and LPG in Europe for OTR trucks as well as diesel

As part of the manufacturer’s 50 years in the United Kingdom anniversary celebration, a 340bhp P 340 LNG LA4x2MNA tractor unit will be introduced by the end of 2014, according to an article published by Transport Engineer.

Martin Hay, Scania UK truck sales director, told the news site that the Euro 6 LNG truck offers low fuel consumption, high operational efficiency and ultra-low emissions. “With more operators seeking alternatives to conventional diesel, natural gas is proving to be an increasingly popular choice. Whereas operators have so far been restricted to dual-fuel diesel/natural gas vehicles, our vehicle now enables customers to fully reap the benefits entirely gas-powered trucks offer,” he said.

I can't see the small Diesel market expanding in the US with all the advancements in gas and electric technology. Even large OTR rigs are going to clean burn technology such as natural gas.

RinconVTR wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

:hNo regrets and diesel vehicles are increasing. Just Google overseas vehicle manufacturers " new diesel" and see what comes up...you will be surprised
Only place where their seems a retreat from diesel is the US, but even in the US new diesels have been introduced

Just because *some* OEM's are introducing what customers are foolishly demanding (and the fade is declining) does not tell the whole story.

Owners soon experience the cost of ownership is high and reliability is low.

Towing with the bigger pickup truck diesels is still the best experience hands down, but owners pay to play up front AND long term.

Not relevant outside the US. All Commercial vehicles and Pickups are diesel. Gas engines died in the late 1960's for Pickups and Trucks, US is by itself in this regard, as well as the one of the last holdouts of conventional trucks.Customers " are foolishly " demanding more and more diesels and the OEM's are providing them.

Actually they imported them to the US from 1980 or 1981 through 1986. The early ones were a 2.2L diesel and from '84 through mid '86 they were a 2.4 IDI diesel. Some of the later ones were N/A and some were turbo'd. I have an '84, recently retired due to frame rot, but I'm keeping the engine for a future project. I've been running 17-20 lbs of intercooled boost through it for almost 2 decades. Great little engine, runs very well, and fairly bullet proof. Overseas Toyota still sells essentially the same 2.4L engine with more modern electronics attached to it. I much prefer the very simple, "one wire" operation of my engine. So long as the fuel cut solenoid is energized, it will run.

Hunting partner had a mid 80's and it was a dream to drive, like a small V8 and great fuel mileage. Looked almost like the picture but silver.

RobertRyan wrote:

:hNo regrets and diesel vehicles are increasing. Just Google overseas vehicle manufacturers " new diesel" and see what comes up...you will be surprised
Only place where their seems a retreat from diesel is the US, but even in the US new diesels have been introduced

Just because *some* OEM's are introducing what customers are foolishly demanding (and the fade is declining) does not tell the whole story.

Owners soon experience the cost of ownership is high and reliability is low.

Towing with the bigger pickup truck diesels is still the best experience hands down, but owners pay to play up front AND long term.

RinconVTR wrote:

5thwheeleroldman wrote:
Very impressed w/wifes Toyota Sequoia. Reckon Toyota will ever come out with a diesel tow vehicle? I know they were planning to about 9 years ago but got scared off by our economy.

The 5.7L and mated 6 speed in the Tundra/Sequoia is bulletproof and has not changed with model year changes for that very reason. Toyota reps have been VERY clear; they want to stick with a good thing.

IMO, they dont care about market share, they want to be known for reliability first...the rest is second.

Toyota was planning to use the same diesel as the Titan HD but look at the reports from owners as well as other motors not passing EPA tests and thus not allowed to be sold until they do pass. (Dodge ECO diesel for example)

Toyota is smart. They make mistakes like everyone else. But they are smart to hold back on the mid-size 1/2 ton and SUV diesel craze. Same kudos to Honda.

And look to Europe as well. They regret ediesel now. Google it.

:hNo regrets and diesel vehicles are increasing. Just Google overseas vehicle manufacturers " new diesel" and see what comes up...you will be surprised
Only place where their seems a retreat from diesel is the US, but even in the US new diesels have been introduced

5thwheeleroldman wrote:
Very impressed w/wifes Toyota Sequoia. Reckon Toyota will ever come out with a diesel tow vehicle? I know they were planning to about 9 years ago but got scared off by our economy.

The 5.7L and mated 6 speed in the Tundra/Sequoia is bulletproof and has not changed with model year changes for that very reason. Toyota reps have been VERY clear; they want to stick with a good thing.

IMO, they dont care about market share, they want to be known for reliability first...the rest is second.

Toyota was planning to use the same diesel as the Titan HD but look at the reports from owners as well as other motors not passing EPA tests and thus not allowed to be sold until they do pass. (Dodge ECO diesel for example)

Toyota is smart. They make mistakes like everyone else. But they are smart to hold back on the mid-size 1/2 ton and SUV diesel craze. Same kudos to Honda.

And look to Europe as well. They regret diesel now. Google it.

I don't know if they still do, but Toyota used to produce a diesel 4Runner. I know it was sold in Japan, not sure what other countries. There is at least one company, dieseltoys.com, that does professional diesel conversions using diesel donor vehicles, of Toyota 4Runners, FJ's, Landcruisers, and Tacomas, don't think they do Tundras.

It's pricey, as in you need to have "money to burn".

ppine wrote:
There will probably be one sometime soon, but who is going to spend over $60k for a Japanses truck?

Some of the same people who already have/had a Toyota truck and like the reliability. Toyota makes some of the best diesel trucks in the rest of the world but unfortunately can't get them yet in Canada or the US.

There will probably be one sometime soon, but who is going to spend over $60k for a Japanses truck?