ALLEN4 wrote:
As soon as the retail customer starts paying MSRP for the vehicle, puts what they will take for the trade on the windshield, and hands the salesman a credit app when they arrive will be when you will know the real price of the vehicle without asking.
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That's makes no sense -- the dealer has no use for my credit app because I bring a check - and not everyone finances with the seller.
I tell him exactly what I will take for my trade as soon as I arrive, and carry a KBB (or whatever appraisal service) printout with me ... The ONLY thing I don't know when I get there is the dealers price. And if manufacturers (or the dealer) would put the price ON the vehicle instead of a phantom MSRP sticker, and every dealer sold every vehicle for that price, we'd have less hassle, and less "wasted time" both for dealers, salesmen, AND buyers.
Hiding the price is the single most time-wasting event in truck selling. PERIOD.
Like I said, if a salesman would tell us the price he's willing (or required) to sell the truck sitting right there in front of me for when I ask it, we'd not need to have this forum discussion at all. The easiest question we ask, and the most elusive answer is always PRICE OF THIS TRUCK, this one, right sitting on these tires and on your lot.
AND, for a $30k-$40k purchase, it's even MORE important than it is a can of peas to know the price of what you're buying. It always seems 'tricky or crooked' or even unethical when any seller of any product refuses to disclose a price at any time the buyer asks - it simply reeks of manipulation.
When we were looking at a Ford, I'd been emailing and phone-talking to the salesman about a week or so (three of four times, total). He absolutely refused to give a price on the truck ... He kept asking me, "Are you going to buy it?" and I kept asking him the price. He never gave us a price, even sitting in his office after taking a test drive -- and we finally walked out and tried another dealer. Ended up with the Chevy ...