U of M study

bid_time wrote:
Show me the data behind the study or it ain't worth the paper it's written on. Once I get the data I'll bet I can find several dozen flaws and self serving assumptions. Case in point no where in the hokey write up did they mention the interest you earn when you leave that $8,000 invested or the additional interest you pay when you finance that $8K. That's finance 101.

You live in Mich. goto U of M and tell them they are full of cow excrement! Being a Buckeye fan I already knew that though! Go Bucks Blue $ucks! LOL

Old-Biscuit wrote:
I sold my gas grocery getter and bought a diesel to tow..........simple


I have never bought a vehicle on perceived 'return'


I only buy to fill a need.

Well said...

Soooo many factors involved with this type of analysis, it's not even possible to count the different scenarios.
You can make the numbers go either way based on care, maint, luck, driving conditions, the economy, mechanical aptitude, et etc

wing_zealot wrote:
I think you guys are a hoot the way y'all feel the need to justify your diesel.

Funny, I feel the same way about you getting all butt hurt just because the report does not fit what you want to be true just so you can feel better about your buying decision.

Expecting a return on a depreciating asset, such as a vehicle, is folly. Vehicles in particular depreciate at a very rapid rate until they reach a point that the amount of depreciation is negligible. The diesel vehicles perhaps depreciate at a slower rate. Can the operating cost saving of a diesel offset the cost of the diesel option is the question. Or alternatively, can the disposal value of the diesel exceed that of a comparable gasser that has been maintained and operated in a manner consistent with that of a diesel of set the option cost of the diesel? Or, to further confuse the issue, some combination of both! The proffered study indicates the offset is the case. I however am a little sceptical. A corroborating independent study is required in my opinion.

I recall an axiom, "Trust But Verify!"

Mixing operating costs and capital costs is a recipe for disaster. They are not the same and therefore must be addressed independent of one another. Hence the comment regarding some combination of both the capital and operations costs analysis.

I sold my gas grocery getter and bought a diesel to tow..........simple


I have never bought a vehicle on perceived 'return'


I only buy to fill a need.

Oh transamz I think you've misunderstood me. I'm not bothered at all about you're studies. I think you guys are a hoot the way y'all feel the need to justify your diesel.

Show me the data behind the study or it ain't worth the paper it's written on. Once I get the data I'll bet I can find several dozen flaws and self serving assumptions. Case in point no where in the hokey write up did they mention the interest you earn when you leave that $8,000 invested or the additional interest you pay when you finance that $8K. That's finance 101.

wing_zealot wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

wing_zealot wrote:
For the life of me I can't figure out why diesel owner's continuously start these threads for the umpteen billionth time. It's like they need to repeatedly keep justify their decision to buy a diesel. You don't need anyone else's permission to buy a diesel. If your happy - great! If you're trying to prove something, you're not succeeding, so give it up. Those that want a diesel own a diesel, those that don't, don't. They remind me of hawkers at the county fair. The more threads they open the more I suspect they are trying to sell snake oil.

It's for the many people that buy gas because they are told that diesels cost more to own. If you are happy with your purchase and don't like these threads then don't read them. I'm not the OP and could really care less what someone buys I just like threads that give people good info. Take it how you want. Maybe you keep reading the umteen billion threads because you want to find a way to justify what you bought?

Why would I have to justify spending $8,000.00 less for a truck that does everything I ask it to and has a higher payload to boot?
In hindsight now that I think about it you did provide me with an awakening though. They'll never quit no matter what. Sayonora.

My diesel has only 90# less than the highest payload gas in the same make and model configuration. If you are running that close to your payload then you need a bigger truck or you're like me you don't pay any attention to that number. Truth be known, a V6 gas would do what you need to do but not as easily as the V8 and definitely not as easy as a diesel.

I'm not saying you have to justify spending $8,000 less. I'm just saying that by the survey posted earlier, by buying gas you are just not getting the $8,000 back later like the diesel truck would get you.

If a simple discussion about the subject bothers you so bad then why even bother reading the threads or posting in them? You could have stopped after reading the survey. See Ya at the top of the hill......eventually.

wing_zealot wrote:


Why would I have to justify spending $8,000.00 less for a truck that does everything I ask it to and has a higher payload to boot?

You just proved transam's point with this comment in that he stated that most say that you have to pay more when it is proven that it is either a wash or costs less in the whole scheme of things. So in essence you are not paying more in the long run. Also, most gaser have higher door sticker payloads, but have less GAWR. Where I am from, that door sticker doesn't mean squat as long as you register your truck properly.