Looks like Volkswagen thru their Electrify America division completed the first cross USA charging network for non Tesla users. I’ve been to a bunch of these sites and they are usually multi stall sites with mostly CCS and usually one or two Chademo handles. More and more seem to have one site with more of a pull thru arrangement better suited for tow vehicles with small trailers. Usually a few 100 kw stalls and one 350 kw stall. Still no easy pay method but the App is getting better. Rumour has it Volkswagen’s will have some navigation communication with the car or truck so pre conditioning can take place like Tesla’s but apparently that is still a few years away. But it is a start for non Tesla owners of EV cars and trucks. Ford, rivian and Lordstown all use CCS charging formats and of course Tesla can use Chademo with an adapter so a plus for all the future EV truck makers. Also looks like they have two more cross country routes in the making for completion by end 2021. Canada already has two cross country routes with Petro Can and Tesla both finishing theirs within days of each other last year. Volkswagen’s Electrify Canada’s cross country Canada network should be up by early 2021. I noticed some of the Tesla and Petro Canada stalls are designed with towing in mind but haven’t seen that with Electrify Canada’s design. In my opinion this will come to a head sooner than later once there are 4 manufacturers cranking out Electric trucks. Rivian, Lordstown, Ford and TESLA are all expected to start production by end 2021. Jmho. Here’s a link to peruse for the future E-truck fans. https://electrek.co/2020/06/24/electrify-america-completes-fast-charging-cross-country-route/

What a changing world! Interesting.

VW will have their first MEB platform cars available in North America next year.Q4 EtronVW ID4This platform has both high and low floor configurations and can be used for SUV's, sedans and sports cars.

It's pretty fascinating to watch this infrastructure develop. The obvious end game is universal fast charging- for EVs to truly replace ICE cars you need to be able to take any brand EV to any charging station and charge it fast. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you could only gas up your Ford truck quickly at gas stations that were in Ford's fueling network. I realize EV owners will do most charging at home but there needs to be good options for long road trips. I would bet they will have this sorted out in the next five years or so.

rjstractor wrote:It's pretty fascinating to watch this infrastructure develop. The obvious end game is universal fast charging- for EVs to truly replace ICE cars you need to be able to take any brand EV to any charging station and charge it fast. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you could only gas up your Ford truck quickly at gas stations that were in Ford's fueling network. I realize EV owners will do most charging at home but there needs to be good options for long road trips. I would bet they will have this sorted out in the next five years or so.I hear ya. But it won't be 5 years. In europe its right now, and in North America it will be more like a year for broad coverage and is pretty much already there for Tesla. Technically a Tesla is universal in the sense that it can charge at Superchargers and Chademo sites. Pretty much everywhere there are CCS handles at their stations than Chademo handles. It’s just that the VW charger chain (Electrify America) usually has more CCS than Chademo stations. All the other chains like ChargePoint and EVgo or FLO all have equal number of CCS and Chademo “pumps”. Non Tesla EV’s like Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolts, Jaguar, Porsche etc will probably never have access to the Supercharger network as they haven’t paid a dime into it. It is a private network. We have a Chademo adapter for our Tesla and it is a very handy thing to keep in the Frunk. A little bulky and the charge times are quite a bit slower than Superchargers but handy nonetheless. Here is a picture of the adapter on our car. Adds an extra 10 seconds to the hookup but having access to the public network rocks.This is a picture of a commonly found dual station with CCS and Chademo. Covers all EV's including Tesla. This a typical Supercharger, this is Harris ranch in California. This is kinda cool becasue they have three or four set up for vehicles pulling a trailer. Drive in, Back out. Unfortunatley only for Teslas. Some companies like Shell are even including a slow AC charger, which is kind of annoying as it ties up a station for hours. Not sure what they were thinking there. But thankfully most are just Chademo and CCS.

Non Tesla EV’s like Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolts, Jaguar, Porsche etc will probably never have access to the Supercharger network as they haven’t paid a dime into it. It is a private network.How much has Tesla paid into anyone else's network?

Volkswagen completes first non Tesla cross US charge network

Reisender
Nomad
Jun 27, 2020
rjstractor wrote:
It's pretty fascinating to watch this infrastructure develop. The obvious end game is universal fast charging- for EVs to truly replace ICE cars you need to be able to take any brand EV to any charging station and charge it fast. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you could only gas up your Ford truck quickly at gas stations that were in Ford's fueling network. I realize EV owners will do most charging at home but there needs to be good options for long road trips. I would bet they will have this sorted out in the next five years or so.

I hear ya. But it won't be 5 years. In europe its right now, and in North America it will be more like a year for broad coverage and is pretty much already there for Tesla.

Technically a Tesla is universal in the sense that it can charge at Superchargers and Chademo sites. Pretty much everywhere there are CCS handles at their stations than Chademo handles. It’s just that the VW charger chain (Electrify America) usually has more CCS than Chademo stations. All the other chains like ChargePoint and EVgo or FLO all have equal number of CCS and Chademo “pumps”. Non Tesla EV’s like Nissan Leafs, Chevy Bolts, Jaguar, Porsche etc will probably never have access to the Supercharger network as they haven’t paid a dime into it. It is a private network. We have a Chademo adapter for our Tesla and it is a very handy thing to keep in the Frunk. A little bulky and the charge times are quite a bit slower than Superchargers but handy nonetheless.

Here is a picture of the adapter on our car. Adds an extra 10 seconds to the hookup but having access to the public network rocks.

This is a picture of a commonly found dual station with CCS and Chademo. Covers all EV's including Tesla.

This a typical Supercharger, this is Harris ranch in California. This is kinda cool becasue they have three or four set up for vehicles pulling a trailer. Drive in, Back out. Unfortunatley only for Teslas.

Some companies like Shell are even including a slow AC charger, which is kind of annoying as it ties up a station for hours. Not sure what they were thinking there.

But thankfully most are just Chademo and CCS.
rjstractor
Nomad
Jun 27, 2020
It's pretty fascinating to watch this infrastructure develop. The obvious end game is universal fast charging- for EVs to truly replace ICE cars you need to be able to take any brand EV to any charging station and charge it fast. Imagine how ridiculous it would be if you could only gas up your Ford truck quickly at gas stations that were in Ford's fueling network. I realize EV owners will do most charging at home but there needs to be good options for long road trips. I would bet they will have this sorted out in the next five years or so.
wilber1
Explorer
Jun 27, 2020
VW will have their first MEB platform cars available in North America next year.

Q4 Etron

VW ID4

This platform has both high and low floor configurations and can be used for SUV's, sedans and sports cars.
Lwiddis
Explorer II
Jun 25, 2020
What a changing world! Interesting.

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