You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

kellem wrote:
Fact:
There will be more petroleum vehicles on the road 20 years from now as battery technology hasn't even scratched the surface and likely never will in HD applications.....it's commuter technology only.

I'm an advocate of clean air but rationality trumps pipe dreams everytime, petroleum and it's major impact on the economy is here to stay.

And do you think GM, a 112 years old car company made a mistake in not producing anymore gas vehicle bay 2035?

kellem wrote:
Fact:
I'm an advocate of clean air but rationality trumps pipe dreams everytime, petroleum and it's major impact on the economy is here to stay.

And dinosaurs are dying every day to create future supplies of oil. Not. We will run out in the future. It will get more expensive along the way. We are in a temporary glut which is fooling people into thinking it will last forever. We will choose oil over fish and animals to keep the tap on, but there is a finite amount of oil.

kellem wrote:
Fact:
There will be more petroleum vehicles on the road 20 years from now as battery technology hasn't even scratched the surface and likely never will in HD applications.....it's commuter technology only.

I'm an advocate of clean air but rationality trumps pipe dreams everytime, petroleum and it's major impact on the economy is here to stay.

Which companies do you think will be building them in any significant numbers in 2041,

Fact:
There will be more petroleum vehicles on the road 20 years from now as battery technology hasn't even scratched the surface and likely never will in HD applications.....it's commuter technology only.

I'm an advocate of clean air but rationality trumps pipe dreams everytime, petroleum and it's major impact on the economy is here to stay.

Bird Freak wrote:
Lots of time wasted talking about EV's here on a rv forum. No EV pick ups towing campers or EV mh'sn and if Tesla doe's the same with their pu as the class 8 truck that may also be several years away.

I, for 1, do not think this is a valid argument. If you remove the small percentage of total RVers that full time, I bet 99% of the others own more than 1 vehicle. And I would guess well over half have a vehicle that is only used for local trips around their home. And that is likely to continue for a long time. There is a place for RVers in the E-car market.

SPRey wrote:
I guess when somebody pays big bucks for something novel, there will be a need to reinforce that they made the right decision. Hence the level of vitriol by those that believe.

As a strategist, my mind gravitates to "what can go wrong", and my mind says lots can go wrong right now. Power infrastructure is so bad that western states have to shut down the grid when the wind blows; something that was unheard of 5 years ago--and I predict is the new norm (2019, 2020 and 2021?). Demand for electricity will increase when the economy recovers from COVID and as the Green New Deal retires "dirty" power generating plants, how/where will the shortfall of power be produced?

IMO, EV owners subscribe to the strategy of "hope"; hope that government will continue to subsidize both the manufacture/sell of EV and charging stations. The subsidy I am referring is "tax credits" which is a simple scheme to move money from my pocket into yours. Hope that the lower price/kWh for EV power will continue. Hope they can continue to avoid paying gas tax (ICE pays for the roads). Hope that recharging stations will miraculously appear everywhere....yeah I know, lots of hope that others will do the right thing, at the right time.

IMO, a strategy based on hope is destined for failure; seldom will people/governments do the right thing, at the right time. Case in point: Government's response to COVID-19; Federal, State and Local governments failed us.

Not takin virus seriously was obviously presidents fault even tho he knew it was very deadly.
Hopefuly new guy will do better.

PRC got few new cases in one city and they shut everything down again
And test everyone
Proper response

https://youtu.be/FXDtBTO_rug

Btw
Tesla paid for SChargers network with their own money,
why cant other auto makers do the same?

ronharmless wrote:

free radical wrote:
Mining for Lithium is substantialy less harmful then driling for oil.
And cobalt is used for refining gasoline btw !...

You obviously have never visited a mining and a drilling site.

Actualy I have,,used to work on Alberta tar sands,does that count?

Also Lithium can be made from salt water fyi


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/how-growing-global-electric-car-sales-could-be-a-boon-for-alberta-1.5894592

And dodge starts to waiver.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/26/dodge-boss-says-evs-can-save-americas-new-golden-age-of-muscle-cars.html

Bird Freak wrote:
Lots of time wasted talking about EV's here on a rv forum.

Yup. Quit thinking about the future.

Lots of time wasted talking about EV's here on a rv forum. No EV pick ups towing campers or EV mh'sn and if Tesla doe's the same with their pu as the class 8 truck that may also be several years away.