You have 13 yrs 11 mths left to buy a GM gas or dsl vehicle

The ICE is on its way out just like the horse was. There will be a few around but it will be few for special purposes.

thomasmnile wrote:

Lantley wrote:

We've seen tube TV's become obsolete.

Topic drift, but I kinda long for the days of "plug it in, turn it on" TV without 125 miles of cables attached to various devices and software updates that make a TV suddenly weird.

Back to topic, in my neck of the woods, 2 years ago a Tesla on the road was a bit of a novelty, now I can't swing a dead cat without hitting one; as well as a few of Tesla's competitors. ;)

I got a mental image there. I kinda feel bad for the cat.

Just sayin.

:)

free radical wrote:

larry barnhart wrote:
china has the code to our power grid so best to not worry what might be.

chevman

Better China then Russia,
China has no reason to destroy US,their intent is to sell us whatever they produce.

Watch Chinese imperialism /S

https://youtu.be/03l3Ra4bL_A

Incredible!!!

Lantley wrote:

We've seen tube TV's become obsolete.

Topic drift, but I kinda long for the days of "plug it in, turn it on" TV without 125 miles of cables attached to various devices and software updates that make a TV suddenly weird.

Back to topic, in my neck of the woods, 2 years ago a Tesla on the road was a bit of a novelty, now I can't swing a dead cat without hitting one; as well as a few of Tesla's competitors. ;)

Bumpyroad wrote:

Reisender wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
Certainly interesting for sure. Lots of things to consider though...
Where is the power coming from? Clean renewable energy is great to hope for, but unrealistic to power the entire world. Maybe PV tech will make leaps and bounds.
How are we storing excess power? Manufacturing of batteries is a high cost, financially and in resources and waste. Tesla has greatly improved batteries, but my yearly 200 mile round trip to Florida would require a LOT of battery charging or swapping.
COST? New technology is expensive. You need significant buy-in to bring the price down per vehicle. This being GM, and with Biden's federal fleet program, I'm sure that our tax dollars will be spent subsidizing this program, but at what cost?

Again, interesting idea and I'm hopeful for new innovations. I always wonder why we don't have more technology like our trains are doing with diesel electric engines.

Did you mean 2000 mile round trip? A 200 mile round trip can be fine by pretty much every EV on the North American market with no charging. Typo?

I would like to know of that shortcut to get from DC to florida in 100 miles. the same math is being used in these fanciful dreaming ideas.
bumpy

Well, I don’t know the geography of the US much. But if it’s a typo and it’s supposed to be a 2000 mile return trip that is 1000 miles each way. So probably two days there and two days back. So no sweat for the most commonly sold EV’s today. Take a 20 minute lunch break at a supercharger and you are good to go. We do that kind of sceenario. We stay at a hotel with destination chargers. Leave full in the morning. Too easy.

We don't need no stinking electric vehicles, airplanes, smartphones, or Internet. Backward Ho!

Reisender wrote:

spoon059 wrote:
Certainly interesting for sure. Lots of things to consider though...
Where is the power coming from? Clean renewable energy is great to hope for, but unrealistic to power the entire world. Maybe PV tech will make leaps and bounds.
How are we storing excess power? Manufacturing of batteries is a high cost, financially and in resources and waste. Tesla has greatly improved batteries, but my yearly 200 mile round trip to Florida would require a LOT of battery charging or swapping.
COST? New technology is expensive. You need significant buy-in to bring the price down per vehicle. This being GM, and with Biden's federal fleet program, I'm sure that our tax dollars will be spent subsidizing this program, but at what cost?

Again, interesting idea and I'm hopeful for new innovations. I always wonder why we don't have more technology like our trains are doing with diesel electric engines.

Did you mean 2000 mile round trip? A 200 mile round trip can be fine by pretty much every EV on the North American market with no charging. Typo?

I would like to know of that shortcut to get from DC to florida in 100 miles. the same math is being used in these fanciful dreaming ideas.
bumpy

valhalla360 wrote:

time2roll wrote:
People are going to love them. Could break the marginal dealers as the service revenue will taper off to about nothing.

More likely, the price of cars goes up as a result.

No dealers can make a go of it purely on new car sales. This isn't limited to "marginal" dealers.

Plus if you look at vehicle maintenance, actual major engine repair is pretty rare. Tire, Brakes, Suspension, Oil Changes are the bulk of the work. Other than possibly a brakes, those all will be present in EVs. Plus with EVs having a very heavy battery bank, suspensions will need to be beefed up and more expensive.

Oil changes will not be present on EV’s. We had our first EV for 5 years. We added washer fluid half a dozen times. Just before I sold it I put a new 12 volt battery in it because I knew it was coming due and I didn’t want the older couple to have any issues with it. If I remember correctly around 125 bucks. EV’s are drive and forget.

spoon059 wrote:
Certainly interesting for sure. Lots of things to consider though...
Where is the power coming from? Clean renewable energy is great to hope for, but unrealistic to power the entire world. Maybe PV tech will make leaps and bounds.
How are we storing excess power? Manufacturing of batteries is a high cost, financially and in resources and waste. Tesla has greatly improved batteries, but my yearly 200 mile round trip to Florida would require a LOT of battery charging or swapping.
COST? New technology is expensive. You need significant buy-in to bring the price down per vehicle. This being GM, and with Biden's federal fleet program, I'm sure that our tax dollars will be spent subsidizing this program, but at what cost?

Again, interesting idea and I'm hopeful for new innovations. I always wonder why we don't have more technology like our trains are doing with diesel electric engines.

Did you mean 2000 mile round trip? A 200 mile round trip can be fine by pretty much every EV on the North American market with no charging. Typo?

rlw999 wrote:

Reisender wrote:


That’s essentially what a Chevy Volt was. Nice little car. Just didn’t catch on. BMW still makes the i3 that has a small motorcycle engine as a range extender. Just like the volt the little gas motor works as a generator.

I think manufacturers are reluctant to put to much R and D into hybrids right now.

JMHO

Honda came out with an interesting hybrid system -- there's just a fixed ratio gear box, no transmission (at least not in the traditional sense). It has a gasoline engine, a generator, and an electric motor, the gearbox just has a couple clutches. It can run the electric motor off battery alone, electric motor powered by the engine running the gnerator, or the engine can be coupled to the drive wheels at higher speeds. I think the direct engine drive can't engage until > 45mph due to the fixed gearing, at speeds below that it's powered only by the electric motor, the engine just drives the generator.

Here's a teardown and explanation: https://youtu.be/QLUIExAnNcE

It's not exactly new technology though, it's been around since at least 2017.

Interesting.