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Did I Just Fry My Appliances?

Roll_Tide1
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This past weekend I took my dad's 5th wheel to a buddy's farm to hang out for a couple of days. Both of our generators were at our farm a couple hours in the other direction. So, i ran down to the local big box hardware store and bought a brand new troybilt 6250wt.

I noticed while at the store that the only 220v female outlet on the genny was the 4-prong lock variety. The shore power cord that my dad owns has the 4-prong male variety, but NOT the lock type, its just 3 slim rectangle prongs, with a half-round ground prong at the top.

Connected to the shore power cord, my dad had the adapter that converts the 4-prong cord down to a 3-prong. I believe its quite normal to use these adapters at your house once you get your campers home. Still 220 though, i think, right?

Well, i said all that to say this: I called my electrician and asked how I might go about adapting the now 3 pronged cord to the 4-pronged outlet on the generator. He says, "just tie the neutral and ground coming out of the generator 4 prong lock outlet together and tie those both to the ground on the shore power cord. The other 2 leads from gennerator are just hot (x & y i think) so they go to the other 2 leads on the shore power cord.

So,i made an adapter with a 4-prong lock type male plug, and a 3-prong female outlet that the shore power cord would plug into with its adapter already on it. Diagram would read---generator-->four prong lock plug-->3 prong outlet (female)-->3 prong adapter on end of shore power cord (male)-->4 prong regular shore power cord.

Well, i did what he said. I made the neutral and ground leads coming from generator both tie into the ground to the camper shore power. Then I tied the remaining 2 leads to their counterparts on the shore power cord.

Cranked that bad boy up, walked into the camper and the 42" LED TV had smoke coming from underneath it! :S So, i ran back outside, and shut the genny down.

Walked around cussing and thinking about it for a few minutes and decided to try something different because it was 100 degrees and the wife and kid were HOT!

Went to my makeshift adapter and just dropped the neutral from the generator completely. Cranked her back up and ran inside, no smoke. BUT, by this point i was in deep. The microwave wouldn't work, neither would the living room tv, but my buddy was in the master bedroom and kicked on the extra AC unit, and it blew just fine. I got panicky again and just shut it down again. Left it.

When I finally got it home, i plugged it back in (correctly). Everything works fine except the living room tv, the microwave, and the kuerig coffee maker on the counter. I tested the outlet behind the tv with my phone charger and it charged my phone normally.

I'm gong back tomorrow with my multi-meter this time, and would like any suggestions on things to check. I'm not new to the camping scene, but I'm also not experienced with 220v AC either.

Help, please? or just opinions on what happened would be fine!

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Learjet
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ttommyy48 wrote:
Oh, the misinformation & confusion!


Ditto...Electrical advice should NOT be "I think" or speculation...lots of it on this site.

Edit...forgot the "not"
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MNRon
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What tommy said!!! Some of responses don't know any more than the OP, other than they know enough not to make this mistake.

OP - I wouldn't trust the 'electrician' you talked to with anything! You should have known better, but didn't and asked someone who supposedly was knowledgeable; he wasn't. As a result you tied your Gnd and neutral together, other than some 'bonding' minutiae that doesn't matter here you're OK so far. Next you tied one hot leg from the 220v to your camper hot, still OK as 220 is actually.made from two opposing 110v lines. Lastly, UNFORTUNATELY, you tied the opposing hot line from the generator to your neutral in the camper...no longer OK; now you've put 220v across anything plugged in in your camper.

Net: open outlets are probably OK, but you could have fried anything that was plugged in (if switch was off it *might* have protected it, but you need to check (ie -water heater might still be OK if switch was off because switch prevents 220v from getting to good stuff)). Converter, TV, microwave, anything that has some circuitry always on when plugged in is probably toast.

Sorry you had to learn this expensive lesson.
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Dtank
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ttommyy48 wrote:
Oh, the misinformation & confusion!


.

Does that mean you feel for his unfortunate screw-up.......

or

are you rubbing it in??...:?

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ttommyy48
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Oh, the misinformation & confusion!

Big_Katuna
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The four prong male plug from the RV has two grounds and two hots.
It's described as 120/240 50a. You could have connected to the four output wires to the four input wires with a DIY adapter.

When you plugged the 4 wire RV cord into the 3 wire adapter you turned the RV into a one hot, two ground 120 v plug.
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3oaks
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Roll_Tide wrote:
Jesus, I'm retarded. I don't know why but for some reason I just knew that big 50amp outlet we plug into on the big genny was 220.

I swear I usually don't gaff this bad. I'm a 2nd year engineering student who oughtta be ashamed of myself.

Oh well, chalking it....

Thanks guys!
Don't feel beat yourself up over it.
Just chalk it up to "furthering your education". ๐Ÿ˜›

FlatBroke
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Yes, had a buddy by a new to them motor home. He called and said he can't get electric to it. I went over looked and asked him where he was plugged in. Went in the shop and showed me were he made an adaptor and plugged into the shop 220. I said you can't do that! He ran over to the outlet and unplugged the trailer. Kinda lik he was going to unplug it before it did further damage. Little late for that because he had it plugged in since the day before. Then I found out he smoked the micro/convection but just thought it was defective. Got that the fridge board and the converter. Several hundred bucks later he had electric. As much as you hear about it you would think there would be a warning by the power cord.

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Roll_Tide1
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So far just the 3 appliances in the living room/kitchen have been affected presumably. Could any other damage have been caused (besides the convertor) if everything else "seems" to be in working order? Like i said, i tried the outlets these appliances were plugged into with my phone charger and they still worked. Don't know if they had 110 because i didn't have my meter, but they did charge my phone with the wall charger. The fridge, hood vent and light above range, main AC unit, master bedroom AC unit, master bedroom TV, antenna booster, master bedroom wall outlets, bathroom vent and lights, water pump, and water heater on electric all work while plugged into shore power.

RustyJC
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The repair bill for our daughter and son-in-law's 5th wheel was $7500+ due to a dropped neutral in the RV's power cord that applied 240VAC to all of the 120VAC loads. They had power protection, but it plugged into the pedestal. Since the fault was downstream of the power protection, it was undetected. They now have a hard-wired PI system that monitors the power just as it goes into the 5th wheel's breaker box.

In your case, the horse is already out of the barn, but HERE is a 1-page explanation of RV 50 amp service.

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Beverley_Ken
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Converter may also be fried, we will find out when he reports that the batteries are going dead. Best scenario would be blown fuses. Or breaker.

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Roll_Tide1
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Jesus, I'm retarded. I don't know why but for some reason I just knew that big 50amp outlet we plug into on the big genny was 220.

I swear I usually don't gaff this bad. I'm a 2nd year engineering student who oughtta be ashamed of myself.

Oh well, chalking it....

Thanks guys!

2oldman
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Roll_Tide wrote:
or just opinions on what happened would be fine!
You ran 220v into the TV. Sorry you didn't have your meter with you to verify what you were feeding the 5er, or ask here first, or flip the breakers in the RV before turning that 'bad boy' loose.
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laknox
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2008Wildcat wrote:
The first problem is that these are not 220.

They are all 110 volt.

Be glad you only toasted the appliances instead of burning the RV to the ground.


No s#!t! :E

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2008Wildcat
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The first problem is that these are not 220.

They are all 110 volt.

Be glad you only toasted the appliances instead of burning the RV to the ground.
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