PULLING 20K OR BETTER

That's probably true of all C&C trucks as they use basically flat frame rails from the cab back and have similar cab-to-axle dimension options to facilitate the mounting of standard service bodies by the aftermarket upfitters.

Rusty

On pickups, the F350 and F450 use the same frame. The cab/chassis F450 uses a different frame.

Guess I just learned by no surprise that the dealer didn't know what they were talking about when they told me it was a different frame. Still I feel no loss having not bought a 450 instead of the 350drw.
I do know for certain the rear ends and wheels are different as is between the ram 3500 4500.

1jeep wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Coach-man wrote:
In my travels since going full time I have seen, mostly Fords F450 & F550's towing faith wheels. I also saw a GMC 5500 set up for fifth wheel towing. I do not know their ratings, but they have to be above a 350/3500! And they appear, at least outwardly to be stout pickups! Are these rigs considered HDT/MDT's?

NC Hauler has a good point, even though we are full timers, we still have to go grocery shopping, Church, and sight seeing. So for me a pickup that I can easily park is toward the top when I am considering what to tow with!

Just for fun compare a RAM 3500 to a F350/450 side by side. You will notice the only thing on the Fore that is larger is the rear axle on the F450. Even then it only has a 9,100# RAWR.



The rAM 3500's are no doubt a 4500 with 3500 badging and a 14K rating to keep it in the class 3 no different than what the F450 does. Every single 450 I have seen pulling a DRV has had bags added. Hopefully the 17's have addressed this.

So untrue! The 2016 f450 and f350 aren't even the same frame, wheels are different and so isn't the rear end. Yes they both share the same engine/tranny and GVWR rating of 14k, but they aren't the same trucks.

According to Fords specs on the trucks, the 350 and 450 pickups use the same frame. https://www.fleet.ford.com/truckbbas/topics/2016/16_SD_Pickups_SB_Updates.pdf
Scroll down to page 20 of 25 for the frame specs.

Rich

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Coach-man wrote:
In my travels since going full time I have seen, mostly Fords F450 & F550's towing faith wheels. I also saw a GMC 5500 set up for fifth wheel towing. I do not know their ratings, but they have to be above a 350/3500! And they appear, at least outwardly to be stout pickups! Are these rigs considered HDT/MDT's?

NC Hauler has a good point, even though we are full timers, we still have to go grocery shopping, Church, and sight seeing. So for me a pickup that I can easily park is toward the top when I am considering what to tow with!

Just for fun compare a RAM 3500 to a F350/450 side by side. You will notice the only thing on the Fore that is larger is the rear axle on the F450. Even then it only has a 9,100# RAWR.



The rAM 3500's are no doubt a 4500 with 3500 badging and a 14K rating to keep it in the class 3 no different than what the F450 does. Every single 450 I have seen pulling a DRV has had bags added. Hopefully the 17's have addressed this.

So untrue! The 2016 f450 and f350 aren't even the same frame, wheels are different and so isn't the rear end. Yes they both share the same engine/tranny and GVWR rating of 14k, but they aren't the same trucks.

tinner12002 wrote:

Old-Biscuit wrote:
2016 RAM 3500 Dually with 3:73 gear---24K
2016 RAM 3500 Dually with 4:30 gear---26K


Sure the other two in 350 Dually are similar

My 15 Ram with 4:10 gearing is rated to pull 29,600.

That is true but you will not find a 5er that has a low enough pin at that weight you can tow. That rating is in reality based on a gooseneck trailer.

My 39TKSB3 weighs 23K and the pin puts me at my RAWR. If I went to a longer DRV with 3 axles I could easily tow a heaver RV since the pin percentage usually goes down with a triple axle RV.

Coach-man wrote:
In my travels since going full time I have seen, mostly Fords F450 & F550's towing faith wheels. I also saw a GMC 5500 set up for fifth wheel towing. I do not know their ratings, but they have to be above a 350/3500! And they appear, at least outwardly to be stout pickups! Are these rigs considered HDT/MDT's?

NC Hauler has a good point, even though we are full timers, we still have to go grocery shopping, Church, and sight seeing. So for me a pickup that I can easily park is toward the top when I am considering what to tow with!

Just for fun compare a RAM 3500 to a F350/450 side by side. You will notice the only thing on the Fore that is larger is the rear axle on the F450. Even then it only has a 9,100# RAWR.

The rAM 3500's are no doubt a 4500 with 3500 badging and a 14K rating to keep it in the class 3 no different than what the F450 does. Every single 450 I have seen pulling a DRV has had bags added. Hopefully the 17's have addressed this.

I'm with you NC Hauler, unless someone is pulling 26-27K plus I see no reason to have the heavier duty HDT trucks unless you have the desire to set above everyone in traffic and look eye to eye with semi drivers and have tons of money to spend on BIG truck parts and repairs. All one ton trucks by the big 3 are capable of towing to their rated capacities and are less expensive to repair when repairs are needed let alone being easier to drive around town and park.

Old-Biscuit wrote:
2016 RAM 3500 Dually with 3:73 gear---24K
2016 RAM 3500 Dually with 4:30 gear---26K


Sure the other two in 350 Dually are similar

My 15 Ram with 4:10 gearing is rated to pull 29,600.

F450/550 and Dodge 4500/5500 are considered light medium duty trucks, class 4/5, 15,000 to 20,000 GVWR. They are based on light pickup chassis.

GM C4500/5500/6500, Ford F650/750, F500/600/700/800 (gas), F5000/6000/7000/8000 (diesel), L700/800 (gas), L7000/8000/9000 (diesel), International 4600/4700/4800/4900, 4300/4400, Freightliner M2 series, various trucks by Sterling, and a host of other large chassis commercial trucks are considered medium/medium-heavy duty trucks, class 4/5/6/7, 15,000 to about 40,000 GVWR. These are based on heavy truck chassis.

Park an F450/550 or Dodge 4500/5500 next to any of the heavy chassis medium duty trucks and the difference in frame size, axle size, wheels and tires, transmission size is readily apparent. The pickup chassis trucks are dwarfed by these heavy chassis trucks.

The class 3/4/5 pickup chassis trucks have come a long way in their tow ratings in recent years, mostly due to increasingly higher output engines. Their chassis are still quite light and transmissions and axles quite small, compared to true commercial chassis trucks.

My F350 dually diesel 4x4 cab/chassis truck with 11' flatbed weighed 7500 lbs empty. My International 4800 diesel 4x4 cab/chassis truck with 12' flatbed weighs 16,000 lbs empty. That's over twice as heavy. That extra 8500 lbs is all steel and iron of the frame, axles, springs, transmission, engine, brakes, wheels, etc. The International is a massive beast compared to the F350.