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Tandem tires on the Cedar Creek Silverback

flrp
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I am thinking about buying a 2014 Cedar Creek Silverback 5er but I am concerned about the space between the tandem tires on the unit. I have owned 4 fifth wheels so far in my life and none of them had the tandem tires so close together. The space on the Silverback appear to be about 4 inches (my estimate)apart. I have looked at other new 5th wheels and they appear to be about 10 inches space between the tandem tires. Plus the units I have owned were in the 10 inch range. My concern with the tires being so close together that a tire blow out could impact both tires on the same side of the unit. In addition I have had a leaf spring break on a Montana and the axle twisted which in my opinion would have cause the two tires on the opposite side to have rubbed together compounding the problem when the leaf spring broke. The question is, does anyone understand my concerns and have similar ones with the Silverback unit? In addition with the two tandem tires being so close together I would believe the 5th wheel unit would be more unstable acting like a play ground teeter tot when traveling down the road. Anyone have thoughts about the tandem tires being so close together on this unit.
flrp :h

2015 34 foot 5th Wheel Cedar Creek Silverback
2011 2500 Chevy Diesel
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Goostoff
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1.5 inches between mine.
1993 Chevy C3500
2005 Cedar Creek 34RLTS

RAINEYTXX
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45Ricochet wrote:


I believe the tires on my dually are even closer (sidewall to sidewall)


My 43' DRV triple axle is about the same! If you have a blow out-you replace the tire on the same side anyway! Yes, the marketing of "wide stance: is towards the stability but I gotta think in tight turns, closer is better for axles/bearings/spring links etc....
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45Ricochet
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I believe the tires on my dually are even closer (sidewall to sidewall)
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rhagfo
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overthehillbill wrote:
I was told the closer the tires are, less sidewall stress on tight turns. Just my .02.


I agree would not too wide a space between the tires, as long as I have enough room to throw on a set of tire chains if needed then I am fine. Mine are about 3" apart with 16" wheels.
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silverback31b2
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You'll be fine, after you get rid of the china bombs. I have almost the same as Spalsher3, 8K a season, 4 seasons, no problems.
2011 Silverback 31B2
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FastEagle
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flrp wrote:
I am thinking about buying a 2014 Cedar Creek Silverback 5er but I am concerned about the space between the tandem tires on the unit. I have owned 4 fifth wheels so far in my life and none of them had the tandem tires so close together. The space on the Silverback appear to be about 4 inches (my estimate)apart. I have looked at other new 5th wheels and they appear to be about 10 inches space between the tandem tires. Plus the units I have owned were in the 10 inch range. My concern with the tires being so close together that a tire blow out could impact both tires on the same side of the unit. In addition I have had a leaf spring break on a Montana and the axle twisted which in my opinion would have cause the two tires on the opposite side to have rubbed together compounding the problem when the leaf spring broke. The question is, does anyone understand my concerns and have similar ones with the Silverback unit? In addition with the two tandem tires being so close together I would believe the 5th wheel unit would be more unstable acting like a play ground teeter tot when traveling down the road. Anyone have thoughts about the tandem tires being so close together on this unit.


Why don’t you just send Forest River an eMail and ask them about the axle spacing for the model you are considering. I’m sure they will provide you with a reasonable explanation.

FastEagle

overthehillbill
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I was told the closer the tires are, less sidewall stress on tight turns. Just my .02.
Bill
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ol_Bombero-JC
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flrp wrote:
I am thinking about buying a 2014 Cedar Creek Silverback 5er but I am concerned about the space between the tandem tires on the unit. I have owned 4 fifth wheels so far in my life and none of them had the tandem tires so close together. The space on the Silverback appear to be about 4 inches (my estimate)apart. I have looked at other new 5th wheels and they appear to be about 10 inches space between the tandem tires. Plus the units I have owned were in the 10 inch range. My concern with the tires being so close together that a tire blow out could impact both tires on the same side of the unit. In addition I have had a leaf spring break on a Montana and the axle twisted which in my opinion would have cause the two tires on the opposite side to have rubbed together compounding the problem when the leaf spring broke. The question is, does anyone understand my concerns and have similar ones with the Silverback unit? In addition with the two tandem tires being so close together I would believe the 5th wheel unit would be more unstable acting like a play ground teeter tot when traveling down the road. Anyone have thoughts about the tandem tires being so close together on this unit.


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How close is ...."close"?..:@

The clearance between the OEM 235/80 R16 ST tires that came on my Jayco was 2 1/2 inches.
When I went to LT Ribs, the 1" larger diameter of each 235/85 would have resulted in a decrease of 1" clearance - down to 1 1/2" between the tires.

Others have done that - but made me a bit nervous..:(

Easy solution: Went with 245/75 - (same load rating as the 235/85), same diameter, but one inch wider - resulting in an increase of 1/2 inch per side.

IMO - the trlr you are considering shouldn't have any clearance probs.

~

Splashers3
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My 2009 Silverback, with my XPS RIBS, has about 1" between tires....no problems after 5 years. The space between the original china bombs was about 1.5" (replaced after 3000 miles). RIBS are slightly bigger.
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Allworth
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About 3" on my Titanium. I don't remember ever seeing anything close to ten. My between the wheels chocks wouldn't reach.
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jjj
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On my Keystone Challenger I could not get 2 fingers between them. I recently changed my springs to a little shorter and got the egua flex equalizer and now have a little over an inch between. I have never had a problem with the spacing the whole time with it
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Old-Biscuit
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donn0128 wrote:
In 8 years with distance between tires of about 1-3/8 inches I have never had any issues. But them again I dont have junk ST tires on my fiver


Yep....that's about the distance between tires on my 5vr

No problems with them being that close.
LT tires, wheels balanced and shocks....rides smooth
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Michelle_S
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On previous two TTs and one 5er space was between 2 to 4 inches, about the same as current Rig.
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Greentow
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On my 3rd Cedar Creek. No problems with tires yet, and probably more than 50,000 miles between the 3 rigs. Current one has G614 tires and 25,000 miles.
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