2021 Ford E-Series No V-10

[Geeze]

Looking at the specifications for the 2021 E-Series it appears Ford has dropped the V-10 and is now putting their new 7.3 gas engine in the cutaway's.

[Jarlaxle]

JaxDad wrote:

Powertour wrote:
Meh, I owned a 6.0 for 10 years & never had an engine related issue, but then again I never chipped or modified the powertrain in any way. The 1st year of them (2003) Ford cheaped out on the IH spec'd injectors. I would say the 6.0 was a horrible engine to hot rod. For years every time I was at a fuel pump & someone else was there with another 6.0 I would ask them if they had lots of issues, it was very rare I ever encountered someone who said they did and 99% of those guys were running chipped trucks. .

We’ve got a bunch of 6.0 Fords, never had a lick of problem with ANY of them, but then again we maintain them, properly.

A local diesel specialty shop near here our mechanics use have always said, the most abusive thing you can do to a diesel pickup is to leave it idling, or putting around, they need to WORK!!

I personally think the 6.0 PowerStroke ‘story’ is much like the Pinto ‘story’. The truth is the Pinto was safer than the competitions models.

No, the 6.doh was a terd, from the first to the last. Yes, you could make it sorta, kinda, almost reliable if you spend a pile of money to tear into it and re-engineer out the many problems...but it's still an inherently poor design. I watched the 6.doh turn two companies from all-Ford fleets to never buying diesel Fords again.

[lenr]

The 7.3 gas engine has been in pickups since the 2020 model year. So, what are the known problems? By the way, this engine has a crazy flat torque curve which will be very nice for Class C RVs and other towing. The torque curve also looks like Ford is holding back a little as they get start bugs fixed. If they goose the torque just a little it will have as much as the vaunted 7.3 diesel.

[ferndaleflyer]

I have a 2005 F350 6.0 diesel with about 165,000mi on it. First 2 years were a disaster. When warranty ran out at about 30,000mi I took it to one of those places that do performance work and had it "bullet proofed" to the tune of $3000. It has never missed a beat since then. I don't know what they do but it worked and I could never afford a new one at todays prices, if you could find one...Old V-10 is a proven good motor.

[klutchdust]

^^^^^
great story. I enjoy hearing about real life scenarios and less of "my brother-in-laws friend or my neighbor said" etc. This tells a tale that is interesting to me and please keep us informed of any new developments.
One buddy of mine put 300K plus on his v-10 before grandpa broadsided him and another 495K on 9 cylinders, he couldn't make it to 500. The one cylinder would misfire and found to have weak rings in it.
Any extended warranties on there, nope. Using quality products at scheduled intervals is the best warranty you can purchase.

[rjstractor]

I love to derail a thread completely off topic as much as anyone, but I'll circle back to the original topic- the Ford V10 in an E-series chassis. The fire department I work for started using E450 based ambulances in IIRC 2002 or so. Emergency vehicle use is brutal on trucks- they get started cold, literally driven like you're on the way to a burning house, idled for sometimes hours, then driven back and shut down. Our mechanics do the prescribed maintenance and fix things that are broke. Our first batch had the 7.3 diesel, and they were reliable, not great on power but were fine. We had one 6.0, and while it was a bit snappier than the 7.3s, she was the shop queen. Our fleet division spent more time working on that POS than the 4 older 7.3 powered rigs combined. They ended up pulling the ambulance box off of it and had it mounted it to a new V10 E450. All of our aid vehicles are now V10 powered. They move out quicker than any of the previous diesels, and while we put a LOT of gas in them, all the mechanics do is change the oil as prescribed. It's still only been 3 years since they've been in service, but I don't think any of them have seen a wrench other than for routine maintenance. Hopefully the new 7.3 gas will be as good or better.

[JaxDad]

Powertour wrote:
Meh, I owned a 6.0 for 10 years & never had an engine related issue, but then again I never chipped or modified the powertrain in any way. The 1st year of them (2003) Ford cheaped out on the IH spec'd injectors. I would say the 6.0 was a horrible engine to hot rod. For years every time I was at a fuel pump & someone else was there with another 6.0 I would ask them if they had lots of issues, it was very rare I ever encountered someone who said they did and 99% of those guys were running chipped trucks. .

We’ve got a bunch of 6.0 Fords, never had a lick of problem with ANY of them, but then again we maintain them, properly.

A local diesel specialty shop near here our mechanics use have always said, the most abusive thing you can do to a diesel pickup is to leave it idling, or putting around, they need to WORK!!

I personally think the 6.0 PowerStroke ‘story’ is much like the Pinto ‘story’. The truth is the Pinto was safer than the competitions models.

[crawford]

klutchdust wrote:
The Ford v-10, the GM 283,the Chrysler slant 6 and the MB 5 cylinder diesel are my top choices in reliable well designed engines. Also the GM 250 straight 6 were bullet

proof. Ford put a weak tranny behind their diesel pickups in the early 2000's GM put the Allison. That tranny is amazing.

I would not go with the new engine either, the consumer ends up to be the test pilots. Often when a few MPG is waved around consumers go towards it.

while GM 6 was good it love gas gm V8 got the same MG I know have both kept the 307.

[klutchdust]

I follow different truck forums, I personally own a 06 Duramax with 94,000 miles on it. The questions on the forums regarding engine issues or failures

frequently have been chipped or otherwise tampered with. Mine is bone stock, pulls loads nicely up hills and is just a treat to drive. The Allison

tranny is second to none. The fleet at work used Allisons under some of the most extreme abuse situations and seldom had a failure.

[Grit_dog]

Powertour wrote:
FWIW, the worst diesel vehicle I've ever owned in my life was a 24v Dodge/Cummins. The list of **** that went wrong with that truck was biblical (& MANY of those issues were with the motor, which if you believe people all over the interwebs, are engines that are beyond bulletproof. Lol).

Did you have it parked next to one of those Powerstrokes? Some of the Ford afflictions were so bad, they were contagious I heard...

[Grit_dog]

Powertour wrote:
Meh, I owned a 6.0 for 10 years & never had an engine related issue, but then again I never chipped or modified the powertrain in any way.
For years every time I was at a fuel pump & someone else was there with another 6.0 I would ask them if they had lots of issues, it was very rare I ever encountered someone who said they did and 99% of those guys were running chipped trucks.

Lol).

Lol is right!
Funny story, back in 2013, I started a construction project up in the North Slope Oilfields in AK.
One of our subcontractors had a big equipment shop in Deadhorse and, at the time, the majority of the diesel trucks, light and heavy duty were all still pre 2007/08 emissions due to the extremely unreliable service of the new emissions and the conditions the trucks were operated in. 1000s of idle hours, -30 to -50 F winter temps, no load, 35mph max speed limits.
So this outfit had a huge fleet of 6.0 Powerstrokes and LB7 to LBZ Duramaxes. (Because Dodge didn't make a true crew cab long bed truck until 2010)
In the shop, there was 4 lines of light duty engines sitting on pallets. 2 long lines of engines with 15-20 engines in each line and 2 really short lines with like 5 in one line and 2 in the other.
Asked the maint supt what was up with that? He said guess which of the 2 are 6.0nos and which are Duramaxes.
Yup, 400-500% more 6.0s ready to be dropped in or already blown up.

[Powertour]

Meh, I owned a 6.0 for 10 years & never had an engine related issue, but then again I never chipped or modified the powertrain in any way. The 1st year of them (2003) Ford cheaped out on the IH spec'd injectors. I would say the 6.0 was a horrible engine to hot rod. For years every time I was at a fuel pump & someone else was there with another 6.0 I would ask them if they had lots of issues, it was very rare I ever encountered someone who said they did and 99% of those guys were running chipped trucks.

The current 6.7 Ford diesel has been a great engine from the day they started selling it to the public. The 6.2l gasser was a good engine from a reliability perspective over the many years Ford offered it in the Super Duties. The 7.3 gasser should be no different. Say what you want about the 6.0 &/or 6.4 diesels but those were IH engines that Ford did stuff to that didn't help. 6.0s that were used in medium duty commercial trucks that were untouched by Ford's hand, had/have a good track record.

Haven't had a Ford pickup for a number of years & even more since I had a Ford diesel pickup.... I'm not a Ford guy per se, just someone who's owned some of them & noticed how people chipping & otherwise messing with OEM power tend to cause a whole lot of problems (then blame the manufacturer). FWIW, the worst diesel vehicle I've ever owned in my life was a 24v Dodge/Cummins. The list of **** that went wrong with that truck was biblical (& MANY of those issues were with the motor, which if you believe people all over the interwebs, are engines that are beyond bulletproof. Lol).

[Gary45]

Ford went back to push rod design because they are better at developing torque at lower rpm, what you need in heavy vehicle like a motorhome. Overhead cam develops power better at higher rpm, better for performance vehicles like sports cars and motorcycles

[rjstractor]

There are many gas engines out there with direct injection but the new 7.3 is not one of them. It even has pushrods, not OHC like the V10. It's not proven yet like the V10, but it appears to have durable, proven design features.

[jamesroadking]

My 2020 Entegra Odyssey 24B class C with the 6.8 costs $74,995
The new Entegra Odyssey's 24B with the 7.3 now sell for 94,995 at the same dealership that we bought ours at.