an interesting new design rv

Gjac wrote:

pnichols wrote:

ron.dittmer wrote:
Comparing a B-Box to my 2007 Phoenix Cruiser 2350 HERE.

B-Box - 9'-8" tall to the top of the roof plus vent pipes = 9'-11".
My Phoenix Cruiser - 9'-10" to the highest point, the a/c unit.

B-Box - 22'-9" long.
My Phoenix Cruiser - 23'-8" long.

B-Box - ~83" wide.
My Phoenix Cruiser - 93" wide.

B-Box has a wet bath with shower curtain out in the main isle.
My Phoenix Cruiser has a private dry bath.

B-Box has a couch/bed facing forward, and front seats that swivel rearward.
You sleep on the couch/bed. Where do you eat?
My Phoenix Cruiser has full-time double bed, full size dinette, 3rd captain seat, and front passenger swivel seat. I have dedicated eating, sleeping, and relaxing areas, something for everyone at the same time.

Watching the video, I see the auto-levelers hanging way down. Their thoughts about off-roading seems risky without them, let alone with them.

B-Box has technical complexity up the ying-yang.
My Phoenix Cruiser is simple.

B-Box costs between $300,000 and $490,000? Is that right?
My Phoenix Cruiser cost me $67,000 back in 2007.

B-Box may be ideal for someone else, but not for me.
Still, I admire their creativity and wish the company great success.

Ron ... nice comparison you did above.

Here's just a few comparisons of the B-Box to my 2005 24 foot E450 Itasca Class C:

1. My ground clearance along the bottom edges of the coach sidewalls is ~15" or more, including under the retracted automatic entrance step. The ground clearance of the bottom edge of my rear coach wall is much more. BTW for off-road considerations, isn't "real" ground clearance that between the ground and the bottom of the lowest differential casing point?

2. I have 45 gallons of FW, 39 gallons of BW, and 29 gallons of GW.

3. My BW and GW tanks can be combined or uncombined, at will, with handy pull-valves.

4. My GW and BW tanks are heated with 12V heaters, if I turn on a switch.

5. In addition to gauges that I may or may not trust, I can easily use the ultimate method - check visually to see how full my FW and BW tanks are.

6. Although my coach roof is higher and my coach is wider, what I get is 5 extra inches at both my head and feet (for storage) when I sleep crosswise in one of my queen beds. My other two beds are not as long, but they're still useful when needed. However, a higher and wider coach body is usually of no concern in much of the Western U.S. when boondock camping off other than overgrown forest roads.

7. The "wide-ness" of my RV is made possible by well-spaced rear tire dual sets, which provides for excellent lateral stability in cross-winds and on highway curves.

8. My main gas engine can be fueled everywhere - unlike some of the new finicky diesel engines.

9. My main gas engine can be idled super-quietly for hours to provide emergency backup for - battery charging, whole coach heating, and whole coach cooling.

10. And of course what a built-in generator adds to the mix is legendary.

BTW, the video showed a construction tech using plastic wire-wraps on wire bundles. I use a lot of these around my stick house and on our Class C. Plastic wire-wraps indeed do age, crack, and break. Whenever I use them on our RV, I use double ones at each point so that I get "redundant reliability" in holding together whatever they're supposed to hold together.

I paid around $54K (not including tax) for our Class C when we bought it new in 2006.

But Phil, you and Ron don't have a gray water recycling system.(I still don't know how to make those smiley faces on my laptop).

"But Phil, you and Ron don't have a gray water recycling system.(I still don't know how to make those smiley faces on my laptop)."

Awww ... a gray water recycling system is no big technology deal worth spending extra $$$$$$ for.

The real design challenge to include in a State-Of-The-Art $$$$$$ Class C to extend onboard water availability for drinking, cooking, and grey purposes is ... a black water recycling system! :B :B and ;) ;) and :C :C