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Sep-05-2019 08:50 PM
Keithk3628 wrote:No regrets about being in the business. I didn't build from scratch, always bought existing. That eliminates a whole bunch of hurdles. Only downside is you have to accept the fact there will be compromises from your ideal vision.
Westernrvparkowner
I have always enjoyed reading your posts and advice like this one, I would like to stay at your park one day and meet you, but if you don't mind will you answer a question. Do you regret starting your park or are you very happy with the decision.
I always thought if I had the cash I would love to build an RV park, retired now I don't see the cash coming in unless I were to win the lottery, and I would have to but a ticket first, Not.
Thanks for your time, Keith
Sep-05-2019 07:35 PM
westernrvparkowner wrote:ferndaleflyer wrote:20% of new businesses fail in the first year, 50% fail within 5 years and 66% do not make it 10 years. It is estimated that 80% of those failures were do to cash flow issues. As has been said many times, failure to plan is planning to fail. No one has posted a solid don't do it, but many have posted potential pitfalls they may not have considered.
Never saw anyone succeed listening to nay sayers. I saw one pop up 3 years ago near my summer cabin. Maybe 10 sites and I have never seen an empty spot there. I don't know how people found it as it is very isolated and not near anything. But trust me you build it and they will come. Me included.
You have given a alternative to extensive research with "build it and they will come" . It will save them a bunch of time and money upfront. And I guess hope and faith could be considered a business plan. Hopefully nobody is building a poorhouse nearby because if they are it would guarantee "Build it and they will come" will have a 50% success rate and my bet would be on the poorhouse.
Sep-05-2019 03:26 PM
Sep-05-2019 03:13 PM
ferndaleflyer wrote:20% of new businesses fail in the first year, 50% fail within 5 years and 66% do not make it 10 years. It is estimated that 80% of those failures were do to cash flow issues. As has been said many times, failure to plan is planning to fail. No one has posted a solid don't do it, but many have posted potential pitfalls they may not have considered.
Never saw anyone succeed listening to nay sayers. I saw one pop up 3 years ago near my summer cabin. Maybe 10 sites and I have never seen an empty spot there. I don't know how people found it as it is very isolated and not near anything. But trust me you build it and they will come. Me included.
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Sep-05-2019 12:39 PM
FIRE UP wrote:You are right that it takes time for word of mouth to spread. It will take infinitely longer to spread about a park that is just an overnight stay. I mean, what are the odds that someone planning a trip to the east coast from Denver will run into someone that has heard of a park in Ilion, New York? The odds are that traveler didn't even decide where to stop until the afternoon of that stay. Even with destination parks, where there is a nexus of interest, word doesn't spread overnight.westernrvparkowner wrote:
One thing being overlooked by all the respondents who would gladly travel 8 miles off the interstate for a nice, clean, safe, quiet, pretty, laid back etc. park is how in the heck can the park owner convey that information to a transiting RVer? A small, new park will require years, plural, to build up enough reviews for them to be a factor people use to choose a park. If you go to Campgroundreviews.com you see that medium size parks (75 sites or so) generally have about 100 reviews and that is over the course of the 10 or 15 years that site has been in business. Same for Google.
And what if one of those early reviews for that new park was something along the lines of "not much here, Just a place to park. 6 out 10 rating". It would be truthful, but would sure hurt the business because many people go by the score and nothing in a review like that screams "stay here".
The other ways people find parks are guidebooks, websites, signage and referrals. Guidebooks are expensive to advertise in and people take any ad with a grain of salt. Books are generally replaced on about a 5 year cycle, so after opening your park, placing your ad and having the new book come out it will be years before even half the people who use books have a book with your ad. On top of that, paper books are a seriously declining market. Closely related is people now use their GPS systems to find parks and for a new park to appear in the GPS software requires years and luck. Referrals also take years upon years to spread.
Websites are another possibility, but as with guidebook ads, people are very skeptical of what is being presented. Plus, how many people racing down the highway spend the time to more than glance at a park's website when just overnighting.
Signage is the way many parks get overnighters, but signs at 65 MPH cannot convey information beyond "RV Park ahead, Take this exit".
If this park is built, advertising and patience is how they are going to build the business. It just isn't going to have the ability to be an overnight success that a park in either a high traffic area or a destination area might achieve. In business, time is money, so I hope the builders don't give up their day jobs.
Word of mouth advertising is, has been, and always will be, a very, very good form of advertising and notification. While it may take a while for the OP's newly developed camp ground to take hold, once the word get's out, folks that care about that kind of environment when they're stopping for even one night, will spread the word. It's too bad the $%&*@ Government has to get its hands on everything, even when someone is willing to devote their own property to weary travelers.
Scott
Sep-05-2019 11:35 AM
gasjarvi wrote:
My husband, son and I are thinking of building a small, no frills campground on our farm after we get out of dairying later this month. We want to cater to the RVers looking for a safe, comfortable spot to overnight. We do not want to have seasonals nor resident campers. We will start with level sights with water and electric and a dump station and a small bathhouse for $30 a night. Large pull thrus will be located in a grassy field just as you come into the park. Sites for longer stays will be set back further with trees and bushes around. The campground will be located behind our farm brewery. We are located 8 miles from the NYS Thruway in Central NY. I was wondering if I could get any feedback on this idea and some suggestions on what we could/should offer.
THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT
Sep-05-2019 10:26 AM
westernrvparkowner wrote:
One thing being overlooked by all the respondents who would gladly travel 8 miles off the interstate for a nice, clean, safe, quiet, pretty, laid back etc. park is how in the heck can the park owner convey that information to a transiting RVer? A small, new park will require years, plural, to build up enough reviews for them to be a factor people use to choose a park. If you go to Campgroundreviews.com you see that medium size parks (75 sites or so) generally have about 100 reviews and that is over the course of the 10 or 15 years that site has been in business. Same for Google.
And what if one of those early reviews for that new park was something along the lines of "not much here, Just a place to park. 6 out 10 rating". It would be truthful, but would sure hurt the business because many people go by the score and nothing in a review like that screams "stay here".
The other ways people find parks are guidebooks, websites, signage and referrals. Guidebooks are expensive to advertise in and people take any ad with a grain of salt. Books are generally replaced on about a 5 year cycle, so after opening your park, placing your ad and having the new book come out it will be years before even half the people who use books have a book with your ad. On top of that, paper books are a seriously declining market. Closely related is people now use their GPS systems to find parks and for a new park to appear in the GPS software requires years and luck. Referrals also take years upon years to spread.
Websites are another possibility, but as with guidebook ads, people are very skeptical of what is being presented. Plus, how many people racing down the highway spend the time to more than glance at a park's website when just overnighting.
Signage is the way many parks get overnighters, but signs at 65 MPH cannot convey information beyond "RV Park ahead, Take this exit".
If this park is built, advertising and patience is how they are going to build the business. It just isn't going to have the ability to be an overnight success that a park in either a high traffic area or a destination area might achieve. In business, time is money, so I hope the builders don't give up their day jobs.
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