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fighterpilota
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Want to tow 7000lbs and be legal. Trying to determine capacity on a couple of MHs I am considering and the Owners don't seem to know how to answer the question. Would appreciate anyone with the type of MH or the manual reference to help me out. The Monacos in the late nintys are petty clear in their manuals. 10,000lbs.



Now, 1998 Winnebago Vetra Grand Tour, 35WQ. Owner says based on the weight of his mh going down the road and his GCWR definition in his paper work it would be around 2500 lbs. Surely that coach with the 275 Cummins diesel pusher can do better than that LEGALLy.



Next Coach, 1998 Fleetwood Discovery 1998 34Q, with 5.9 indicates limited to hitch load of 5000 lbs. Were they ever configured with a higher hitch rating or is that the best I can do in that size and vintage Discovery MH?



In motorhomes, other than the nintys Dynastys will I have to go to 36 feet or larger to get the legal 7000 tow capacity? Thanks
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fighterpilota
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Appreciate all the discussion. Golden your analysis most helpful. I hadn't thought about the added weight to the rear axle issue and know this could be a problem on some coaches. Understand the Monaco Windsor might be marginal in this regard. My main load will be truck with all 4 on the ground so download on the hitch won't be an issue, but hitch rating and the chassis rating will. Thanks

Golden_HVAC
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The one motorhome wiht a 2,500 pound capacity is probably off, and is actually something like this to calculate it correctly. Say the GVWR is 22,000 pounds and the GCVWR is 24,500, you might guess that it can only tow 2,500 pounds, however the correct tow rating is the curb weight ready togo camping, then take that away from the GCVWR, and you will have the amount that you can tow.

I hate it when someone states the GCVWR is say 26,000 and the GVWR is 22,000, so the tow limit is only 4,000 pounds, it is totally incorrect, becuase to tow a 4,000 pound trailer, the RV must have 400 pounds below it's GVWR to accept the hitch weight, therefore the RV will be at least 500 pounds below it's GVWR, and can tow at least 4,500 pounds. The actual number can be substantially more, for instance my RV has a 26,000 GCVWR from Ford, but only a 17,000 GVWR, and has a curb weight of around 16,000 pounds. So in therory, my RV could tow 10,000 pounds, and put 1,000 pounds of that onto the hitch. However Fleetwood extended the Ford factory frame by 13" in my case, so I can not mount the hitch on the Ford factory frame, but on the Fleetwood extensions. Fleetwood only rated the 97's gas engine chassis to tow about 3,500 pounds due to the long extensions on some of their chassis designs, such as the 38' with a tage axle and 178" chassis, and a 12 foot long frame extension behind the Ford frame, that the hitch is attached to.

So I would say that 5,000 is about all the Fleetwood extended frame is good for, unless you have a DP Fleetwood that is rated at a higher weight.

As for a good towing diesle pusher, look at Alpine. Not only did they usually come with a 400 HP engine, but also have a huck bolted on 10,000 pound hitch on all the DP's in their lineup!

Even if the hitch is rated at 10,000 pounds (most are) it does not mean the manufacture rated the RV to tow that much, and also that the cargo rating is over 1,000 pounds, so you can put that much hitch weight on the RV.

Check the GVWR and GVW of the RV you are looking at on a scale. If the rear axle is say 2,200 pounds under on it's GVW compared to the weight rating, then it would work, providing everything else seems to work for you. The 700 - 1,000 pounds of hitch weight will be about 10 or 12 feet behind the axle, and a almost equal weight will be taken off the front axle and applied to the back axle when you hitch up the trailer.

Lets figure it out exactly for a 12' hitch ball to center of rear axle, with a 240" wheelbase diesel pusher. 700 pounds down on the hitch will take off 350 pounds from the front tires, and apply 1,050 pounds to the rear axle. If the wheelbase is shorter, say 200", then more weight will come off the front axle, say 450 pounds, applying 1150 pounds to the rear axle.

In addition, when camping you normally will be putting in up to 100 gallons of fresh water that was not there when you checked the RV weight during a test drive. That is 800 pounds, probably distributed equally between the axles, but check the tank location to make sure. And you will normally add about 800 more pounds of camping gear too, including food, clothing, blankets, chairs, ect.

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fighterpilota
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How about some examples so I can be on the lookout for the overweight MHs. Brand names, years, and size would be helpful. Thanks

wny_pat1
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But some manufacturers made "miscalculation" and built motorhomes that were overweight before putting anything in them besides the driver and passengers or their gear. Infact, some of the better quality companies!
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fighterpilota
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rk911 makes it simple. Unfortunately owners don't seem to have the where with all to find the necessary numbers. I explained the GCWR to them but they can't seem to find the listing for their coach or even understand what I am telling them. Some confusion comes from the hitch rating that may or may not be a match for the GCWR. For example, GCWR may permit 7000 lbs but mfg. just put on a 5000 lb hitch. It seems that the GCWR calculations is the only safe way to determine the towing capability. Then if the hitch needs to be changed, so be it.

All that said Monaco published the numbers in their manual on a single page. Is there any source for such information on the other motor homes I noted? How about you owners of such. Anyone got one, other than the Monaco Dynasty, that can legally tow 7000 lbs. How about the same years for the Monaco Windsor, was it also capable of 10,000lbs? I am considering one of those and the owner, elderly gentleman, can't seem to come up with the information. I'll be 80 this summer so I feel I can talk about elderly people, but in my case, I know what I am seeking and can understand the numbers if I can just get them. By the way, good job rk911. Best, clearest, explanation of the subject I have come across. Thankd

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rk911 wrote:


the maximum amount of weight you can safely tow will be the lesser of the following:

- the GCWR minus the actual weight of the MH as it is loaded for travel (food, fuel, water, LP, clothing, supplies, pets, people and misc. stuff); OR

- the weight rating of the MH hitch (Class II 3500-lbs, Class III 5000-lbs, Class IV 10,000-lbs); OR

- the weight rating of your towbar


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rk911
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fighterpilota wrote:
Want to tow 7000lbs and be legal. Trying to determine capacity on a couple of MHs I am considering and the Owners don't seem to know how to answer the question. Would appreciate anyone with the type of MH or the manual reference to help me out. The Monacos in the late nintys are petty clear in their manuals. 10,000lbs.

Now, 1998 Winnebago Vetra Grand Tour, 35WQ. Owner says based on the weight of his mh going down the road and his GCWR definition in his paper work it would be around 2500 lbs. Surely that coach with the 275 Cummins diesel pusher can do better than that LEGALLy.

Next Coach, 1998 Fleetwood Discovery 1998 34Q, with 5.9 indicates limited to hitch load of 5000 lbs. Were they ever configured with a higher hitch rating or is that the best I can do in that size and vintage Discovery MH?

In motorhomes, other than the nintys Dynastys will I have to go to 36 feet or larger to get the legal 7000 tow capacity? Thanks


the maximum amount of weight you can safely tow will be the lesser of the following:

- the GCWR minus the actual weight of the MH as it is loaded for travel (food, fuel, water, LP, clothing, supplies, pets, people and misc. stuff); OR

- the weight rating of the MH hitch (Class II 3500-lbs, Class III 5000-lbs, Class IV 10,000-lbs); OR

- the weight rating of your towbar
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zman-az
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Most hitches come in 5,000 or 10,000 rating. Then you have to factor the towing capacity of the RV's Driveline. Use the lowest rating to be legal.

There is also the capacity of the actual frame (which may have been modified by the RV mfg) on the RV which should always be above the hitch rating. So if the driveline can handle 10,000 lbs but the hitch is at 5,000 you better not replace the hitch without addressing the frame.

Mandalay_Parr
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I thought the hitches had a sticker indicating the capacity. Maybe not.
They are probably either 5000 or 10,000#. Maybe you could tell by the size of the hitch....if you could look at it.
Otherwise I don't know how you find out.

I know mine is 10,000.
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