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Gjac
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Sep 12, 2014

How close is too close

Someone posted awhile back about brake lines being too close to the exhaust manifolds causing the fluid too boil on long grades and loss of brakes so I went under mine and looked and found mine were about 1 1/2 ins away from my headers. I also noticed that two lines from the trans to the cooler were only 1/2 in away from the header. I wrapped the brake line with FG cloth because it was easy to do. The trans line would be much more difficult. So my question to those that have added headers to a 454 TBI(Thorley) have you run into this issue and have rerouted the trans lines or is 1/2 in clearance enough not to heat up the lines?
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    Gjac
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    Sep 15, 2014
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    RLS7201 wrote:
    Gjac wrote:
    RLS7201 wrote:
    It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
    You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

    Richard
    How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


    Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
    In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
    I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

    Richard
    Thanks for the update Richard. I haven't had any problem with my brakes yet but add a heat shield on the LH side for MC and brake lines . I was more concerned about the transmission lines on the RH side and insulated them with FG. Sounds like Banks did not see a need to insulate or shield the trans lines?
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    RLS7201
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    Sep 15, 2014
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    Gjac wrote:
    RLS7201 wrote:
    It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
    You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

    Richard
    How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


    Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
    In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
    I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

    Richard
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    Gjac
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    Sep 12, 2014
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    sch911 wrote:
    This is a good reason to not install headers at all. Never felt the need to "upgrade" perfectly good components which were tested and certified by the manufacturer. Including their fully tested underhood and underbody thermal protection abilities....
    The "perfectly good" OEM exhaust manifolds leaked and cracked twice before I replace them with the headers, which ran much cooler with fewer downshifts on hills and about 80 more HP or so. That is one mod that I feel was better than the OEM design and glad I made.
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    Daveinet
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    The routing of lines may very or even be modified by the coach manufacturer, so it is impossible to predict what shielding is necessary. Thorley sold me a shield when I put my headers on.

    BTW: the reason to install headers over "perfectly good" OEM design is because the OEM design runs too hot and puts excessive stress on the engine. A properly designed header and exhaust will allow the engine to run substantially cooler than OEM.
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    sch911
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    This is a good reason to not install headers at all. Never felt the need to "upgrade" perfectly good components which were tested and certified by the manufacturer. Including their fully tested underhood and underbody thermal protection abilities....
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    jfkmk
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    Sep 12, 2014
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    Be careful about wrapping the lines with anything that will hold moisture on them. You don't want them to corrode.
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    Gjac
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    Sep 12, 2014
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    RLS7201 wrote:
    It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
    You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

    Richard
    How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?
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    Gjac
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    rgatijnet1 wrote:
    Why continue to worry about it? Rerouting your brake lines is not that difficult. It is something you can do yourself if you are at all handy. Check the size of your brake lines and you can buy just the steel tubing at any NAPA store, along with the couplers. Then you need to buy a DOUBLE flaring tool, which can run from about $20 on up, depending if it is made in China or in a decent country. DO NOT use a standard plumbing single flaring tool.
    Once you use a tubing cutter to cut the brake lines, then you can add additional tubing to route the brake lines away from any heat source. Once you have everything rerouted and securely fastened, you will need to bleed your brakes and enjoy a permanent solution to your problem.
    Naturally any competent garage can do the same thing if you do not want to do the work.
    Its not the brake lines I already wrapped those with FG its the transmission lines that run along the frame inside of the heat shield on the passenger side these would be much harder to wrap or add a heat shield. It just looks like if the eng designers put it on the other side of the existing heat shield it would be a better design. Having said that I am not smart enough to know how close is too close? Is 1/2 inch clearance enough? The header tubes drop about 3-4 ins lower than the std exhaust manifolds. I have read a lot of posts about adding headers but have not read any where folks had to re rout the transmission lines. If someone had not posted about the brake lines on a P-30 chassis being close I would have never thought to look.
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    RLS7201
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    Sep 12, 2014
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    It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
    You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

    Richard

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RLS7201 wrote:
Gjac wrote:
RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

Richard
Thanks for the update Richard. I haven't had any problem with my brakes yet but add a heat shield on the LH side for MC and brake lines . I was more concerned about the transmission lines on the RH side and insulated them with FG. Sounds like Banks did not see a need to insulate or shield the trans lines?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-09-15T10:34:06.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-09-15T10:34:06.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":337},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1383420/message:1383436","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1304","rawBody":"
RLS7201 wrote:
Gjac wrote:
RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

Richard
Thanks for the update Richard. I haven't had any problem with my brakes yet but add a heat shield on the LH side for MC and brake lines . I was more concerned about the transmission lines on the RH side and insulated them with FG. Sounds like Banks did not see a need to insulate or shield the trans lines?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1383436_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:355877":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:355877","uid":355877,"login":"RLS7201","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2002-10-26T20:51:29.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-9.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:41"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:355877"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383435":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1383435","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1383435":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:355877"},"id":"message:1383435","revisionNum":1,"uid":1383435,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1383420"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1383420"},"subject":"Re: How close is too close","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383435"},"body":"
Gjac wrote:
RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

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Gjac wrote:
RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?


Sorry about the later response. Been a little busy.
In my case (95 F53 460) Banks supplied a heat shield for the left frame rail to protect fuel and brake lines, emergency brake, shift cables and wiring. Banks also supplied insulation for the cables where they left the frame. A heat shield was also supplied for the starter.
I spent considerable more for Banks , but the system has been trouble free for over 8 years.

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sch911 wrote:
This is a good reason to not install headers at all. Never felt the need to \"upgrade\" perfectly good components which were tested and certified by the manufacturer. Including their fully tested underhood and underbody thermal protection abilities....
The \"perfectly good\" OEM exhaust manifolds leaked and cracked twice before I replace them with the headers, which ran much cooler with fewer downshifts on hills and about 80 more HP or so. That is one mod that I feel was better than the OEM design and glad I made.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-09-12T16:56:14.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-09-12T16:56:14.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":337},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1383420/message:1383434","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"560","rawBody":"
sch911 wrote:
This is a good reason to not install headers at all. Never felt the need to \"upgrade\" perfectly good components which were tested and certified by the manufacturer. Including their fully tested underhood and underbody thermal protection abilities....
The \"perfectly good\" OEM exhaust manifolds leaked and cracked twice before I replace them with the headers, which ran much cooler with fewer downshifts on hills and about 80 more HP or so. That is one mod that I feel was better than the OEM design and glad I made.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1383434_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:347554":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:347554","uid":347554,"login":"Daveinet","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-10-29T18:23:28.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:347554"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383433":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1383433","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1383433":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:347554"},"id":"message:1383433","revisionNum":1,"uid":1383433,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1383420"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1383420"},"subject":"Re: How close is too close","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383433"},"body":"The routing of lines may very or even be modified by the coach manufacturer, so it is impossible to predict what shielding is necessary. Thorley sold me a shield when I put my headers on.

BTW: the reason to install headers over \"perfectly good\" OEM design is because the OEM design runs too hot and puts excessive stress on the engine. A properly designed header and exhaust will allow the engine to run substantially cooler than OEM.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-09-12T15:25:39.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-09-12T15:25:39.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":337},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1383420/message:1383433","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"446","rawBody":"The routing of lines may very or even be modified by the coach manufacturer, so it is impossible to predict what shielding is necessary. Thorley sold me a shield when I put my headers on.

BTW: the reason to install headers over \"perfectly good\" OEM design is because the OEM design runs too hot and puts excessive stress on the engine. 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RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"207","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-09-12T13:21:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-09-12T13:21:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":337},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1383420/message:1383430","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"451","rawBody":"
RLS7201 wrote:
It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
You may also want to consider a heat shield for your starter.

Richard
How did Banks address these issues? By supplying heat shields or by re routing trans and brake lines?","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1383430_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383429":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1383429","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1383429":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:160318"},"id":"message:1383429","revisionNum":1,"uid":1383429,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1383420"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1383420"},"subject":"Re: How close is too close","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383429"},"body":"
rgatijnet1 wrote:
Why continue to worry about it? Rerouting your brake lines is not that difficult. It is something you can do yourself if you are at all handy. Check the size of your brake lines and you can buy just the steel tubing at any NAPA store, along with the couplers. Then you need to buy a DOUBLE flaring tool, which can run from about $20 on up, depending if it is made in China or in a decent country. DO NOT use a standard plumbing single flaring tool.
Once you use a tubing cutter to cut the brake lines, then you can add additional tubing to route the brake lines away from any heat source. Once you have everything rerouted and securely fastened, you will need to bleed your brakes and enjoy a permanent solution to your problem.
Naturally any competent garage can do the same thing if you do not want to do the work.
Its not the brake lines I already wrapped those with FG its the transmission lines that run along the frame inside of the heat shield on the passenger side these would be much harder to wrap or add a heat shield. It just looks like if the eng designers put it on the other side of the existing heat shield it would be a better design. Having said that I am not smart enough to know how close is too close? Is 1/2 inch clearance enough? The header tubes drop about 3-4 ins lower than the std exhaust manifolds. I have read a lot of posts about adding headers but have not read any where folks had to re rout the transmission lines. If someone had not posted about the brake lines on a P-30 chassis being close I would have never thought to look.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-09-12T13:18:51.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-09-12T13:18:51.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":337},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:Motorhomes/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:Motorhomesforum-board/message:1383420/message:1383429","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"1621","rawBody":"
rgatijnet1 wrote:
Why continue to worry about it? Rerouting your brake lines is not that difficult. It is something you can do yourself if you are at all handy. Check the size of your brake lines and you can buy just the steel tubing at any NAPA store, along with the couplers. Then you need to buy a DOUBLE flaring tool, which can run from about $20 on up, depending if it is made in China or in a decent country. DO NOT use a standard plumbing single flaring tool.
Once you use a tubing cutter to cut the brake lines, then you can add additional tubing to route the brake lines away from any heat source. Once you have everything rerouted and securely fastened, you will need to bleed your brakes and enjoy a permanent solution to your problem.
Naturally any competent garage can do the same thing if you do not want to do the work.
Its not the brake lines I already wrapped those with FG its the transmission lines that run along the frame inside of the heat shield on the passenger side these would be much harder to wrap or add a heat shield. It just looks like if the eng designers put it on the other side of the existing heat shield it would be a better design. Having said that I am not smart enough to know how close is too close? Is 1/2 inch clearance enough? The header tubes drop about 3-4 ins lower than the std exhaust manifolds. I have read a lot of posts about adding headers but have not read any where folks had to re rout the transmission lines. If someone had not posted about the brake lines on a P-30 chassis being close I would have never thought to look.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1383429_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383428":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1383428","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1383428":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:355877"},"id":"message:1383428","revisionNum":1,"uid":1383428,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:Motorhomesforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1383420"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1383420"},"subject":"Re: How close is too close","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1383428"},"body":"It is a shame that Thorley & Gibson don't address those issues. Yes it is important that you relocate and insulate to protect those items. Banks does address those very issues with their exhaust enhancement items.
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