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Popeye123
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Dec 24, 2014

Turbo boost gauge

I own a 1996 Sahara Safari with a cat 250. All the gauges are original Magnum. The turbo boost gauge reads 0 when operating. I do not have a schematic or do I know the location of the sensor. I have not pulled the dash to access the gauge because I don't know the resistance or voltage I should read at any of the terminals. I am very mechanical but with out key Items I'm lost. I also cannot locate magnum gauge manufacturing to ask them. Can anyone help. Bill
  • Two Jayhawks wrote:
    ScottG wrote:
    The turbo is always called for, that is it's always working making boost even under very light throttle because the exhaust is always going through it and spinning it. Even at idle it may make enough boost to make the needle sit just above zero. If it doesn't read anything unless you stomp on it then something is wrong.


    Scott I'll respectfully take your word for this as I'm not a diesel tech. I have had my current unit for 9 years now and my gauge rests at zero absolutely at idle as well as highway cruise. I watch all my gauges so I'm quite sure of this. It will jump only under a hard acceleration. I mostly baby it so I rarely see it move.


    Bad gauge.......bad sensor.......bad tubing

    If it was turbo you would have major problems getting up to speed, accelerating, climbing grades.....driving. The turbo is what packs the air into the combustion chamber.
    Lack of engine power, huge exhaust smoke (black or blue), oil consumption etc.

    Bad gauge.....bad sensor....bad tubing (if mechanical not electrical)
  • Two Jayhawks wrote:
    ScottG wrote:
    The turbo is always called for, that is it's always working making boost even under very light throttle because the exhaust is always going through it and spinning it. Even at idle it may make enough boost to make the needle sit just above zero. If it doesn't read anything unless you stomp on it then something is wrong.


    Scott I'll respectfully take your word for this as I'm not a diesel tech. I have had my current unit for 9 years now and my gauge rests at zero absolutely at idle as well as highway cruise. I watch all my gauges so I'm quite sure of this. It will jump only under a hard acceleration. I mostly baby it so I rarely see it move.


    Hi,

    You might have a problem with the turbo bearings. The turbo might be spinning much slower than it should, due to bad bearings, probably caused by not running it for a long time, or to long between oil changes. Or you might have a bad gauge. A mechanic can hook up a gauge, and then tell you by just running it up to say 1500 RPM in park. If the gauge moves, your turbo is working (can't dertermine if 100% or just 50%) if it does not move much, then the turbo bearings might be bad. It is not that rare to have a bad turbo at that age.

    I would not be calling Cummins for a replacement turbo, but rather call a place like Banks that sells aftermarket turbo kits for your engine, and larger intake manifolds.

    If you have any black smoke while going up mountains, this indicates to much fuel for the amount of air, (thus bad turbo is suspected). A good turbo will improve the fuel mileage, and reduce the smog a LOT.

    http://www.bankspower.com/ You might be able to get some used turbo's from them, as they normally upgrade stock motors with larger ones, and probably do something with the old stock ones. (not just through them in the scrap metal bin).

    My guess?

    You probably have a 50% chance that either the turbo is bad, and the gauge is right, you only spin the turbo really fast at wide open throttle, and are getting poor mileage as a result.

    50% chance is you are getting 9+ MPG and the turbo gauge is not correct. You are not making a lot of smoke on the freeway, and when climbing the mountains.

    Still my guess is bad turbo at your engine age. It is possible that one of the prior owners did not change the oil for over 2 years, or over 15,000 miles and let a lot of soot form in the oil, and that can destroy the bearings.

    With a properly working turbo (especially a Banks upgraded turbo and air intake system) you will increase your MPG, and probably not need to "Floor it" to go up the mountains.

    Good luck!

    Fred.
  • ScottG wrote:
    The turbo is always called for, that is it's always working making boost even under very light throttle because the exhaust is always going through it and spinning it. Even at idle it may make enough boost to make the needle sit just above zero. If it doesn't read anything unless you stomp on it then something is wrong.


    Scott I'll respectfully take your word for this as I'm not a diesel tech. I have had my current unit for 9 years now and my gauge rests at zero absolutely at idle as well as highway cruise. I watch all my gauges so I'm quite sure of this. It will jump only under a hard acceleration. I mostly baby it so I rarely see it move.
  • jplante4 wrote:
    I haven't explored my 1996 Sahara enough to know whether this if electric or pressure (Brett Wolfe?)


    Sorry, never had a problem with it, so did not dig into it.

    But, should be easy to identify at either engine or gauge end. Wire or air line.
  • ScottG wrote:
    The turbo is always called for, that is it's always working making boost even under very light throttle because the exhaust is always going through it and spinning it. Even at idle it may make enough boost to make the needle sit just above zero. If it doesn't read anything unless you stomp on it then something is wrong.
    X2 on that.
  • The turbo is always called for, that is it's always working making boost even under very light throttle because the exhaust is always going through it and spinning it. Even at idle it may make enough boost to make the needle sit just above zero. If it doesn't read anything unless you stomp on it then something is wrong.
  • It's basically a manifold pressure gauge. If electric there's a sensor screwed in the intake manifold downstream of the turbo and a wire that gos to the gauge. The sensor wire could be disconnected or broken, or you could have no power at the gauge.

    If not electrical, it's a pressure gauge with a piece of tubing running fron the intake manifold to the gauge. If so, the most likely cause is a break in the tubing.

    I haven't explored my 1996 Sahara enough to know whether this if electric or pressure (Brett Wolfe?)
  • Mine reads zero also......unless it is on a very rare occasion when the turbo is called for.