V-10

[Mike___Fran]

Can anyone tell me for sure year Ford came with the higher horsepower engine. I think 07 or 08.

[dodge_guy]

Hikerdogs wrote:
http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/120

willald wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
And with the 3 valve engine you get the spark plug nightmare!

Ummm..Wrong.

Ford actually corrected the 'spark plug nightmare' (IIRC by adding more threads in the head) long before the 3 valve heads ever came out.

Its amazing, all the 'misinformation' that gets unknowingly spread sometimes.

Will

Actually there were 2 different problems with sparkplugs in the V10. The first and some of the second generation heads had only 4 threads to hold the plugs in place. Consequently some had problems with sparkplugs being blown out of the heads.

Some of the early 3rd generation engines had a problem with plugs breaking off when attempting to remove them. Sometimes when they got stuck over zealous mechanics just kept trying to turn them until thy broke in half. Ford published a specific method to be used when removing the plugs and a method to properly install them so they weren't over torqued.

https://kcss-transportation-technology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Ford+Spark+Plug+Problems++PDF.pdf

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/120

Yep. talk to any Ford tech. No matter what you do (even the guys that do them regularly) say there is always at least on plug that breaks in the head (3V head)! I`ve seen it first hand. No "misinformation" here!

It`s bad enough I`ll probably end up with a 3V V-10 when I go to a class A. at least those are usually wound up pretty good and are on the highway 99% of the time so the carbon should be kept to a minimum!

[Hikerdogs]

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/120

willald wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
And with the 3 valve engine you get the spark plug nightmare!

Ummm..Wrong.

Ford actually corrected the 'spark plug nightmare' (IIRC by adding more threads in the head) long before the 3 valve heads ever came out.

Its amazing, all the 'misinformation' that gets unknowingly spread sometimes.

Will

Actually there were 2 different problems with sparkplugs in the V10. The first and some of the second generation heads had only 4 threads to hold the plugs in place. Consequently some had problems with sparkplugs being blown out of the heads.

Some of the early 3rd generation engines had a problem with plugs breaking off when attempting to remove them. Sometimes when they got stuck over zealous mechanics just kept trying to turn them until thy broke in half. Ford published a specific method to be used when removing the plugs and a method to properly install them so they weren't over torqued.

https://kcss-transportation-technology.wikispaces.com/file/view/Ford+Spark+Plug+Problems++PDF.pdf

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/120

[willald]

dodge guy wrote:
And with the 3 valve engine you get the spark plug nightmare!

Ummm..Wrong.

Ford actually corrected the 'spark plug nightmare' (IIRC by adding more threads in the head) long before the 3 valve heads ever came out.

Its amazing, all the 'misinformation' that gets unknowingly spread sometimes.

Will

[Rodz]

dodge guy wrote:
And with the 3 valve engine you get the spark plug nightmare!

I've changed many plugs in 3v engines and never had a problem. The problems happen when you take it somewhere that's not familiar with that type of plug and head.

[dodge_guy]

And with the 3 valve engine you get the spark plug nightmare!

[tatest]

chadsdad01 wrote:
It was 2006. But a motorhome could be built on a 2005 chassis and be titled 2006. Double check the Vin number to make sure it is 362 HP vs 310. Free Vin decoders can be search on the internet.

Ford skipped the 2005 model year for F-53, then extended the 2004 model year and started producing the 2006 model year as early, to fill in. Most 2006 MY motorhomes should be on 2006 MY chassis; some 2005 MY motorhomes got built on 2006 MY chassis.

If it has the five-speed automatic (tow-haul button) it is 2006 or newer.

[94fxds]

With the 3 valve head and the higher horsepower you also got the 5 speed automatic instead of the 4 speed automatic.

[C-Leigh_Racing]

Everything these days is made like that Mike. Just about a nightmare to change out a drive belt.
Be nice, if we had some of the old 70s~80s stuff come back out with improvements & get away from this robot mess.
Neil

[Mike_M2]

That's why I was thinking heads only as that could be done without removing the motor(at least on mine). Pulling the block would be a nightmare.

[SP4380]

Ford does not sell a complete crate motor. The offer a long block which will require an intake, Fuel rail, Injectors & Throttle body. The 3 valve engine uses Drive by Wire; which means new wiring, PCM and gas pedal assembly.

Not a cheap bolt in swap at all.

[C-Leigh_Racing]

tropical36 wrote:

SP4380 wrote:
Pistons are different also. PCM and calibration too. Not just a head change.

Ummmmmmm, now wonder what a late model crate engine cost is, installed vs a coach trade up?

Just guessing probably $3000~$5000 & then just about the same amount for labor by the time its back on the road.

Best thing to do if somebody was looking for an upgrade like that, check out Coparts.com & find one that had a Norcold fridge fire & switch everything out & salvage yard what is left.
Neil

[tropical36]

SP4380 wrote:
Pistons are different also. PCM and calibration too. Not just a head change.

Ummmmmmm, now wonder what a late model crate engine cost is, installed vs a coach trade up?

[SP4380]

Pistons are different also. PCM and calibration too. Not just a head change.

[C-Leigh_Racing]

carringb wrote:

Mike M2 wrote:
Here's something I have been pondering, I have the 275hp version and it ain't so bad but what if I were to buy a set of 3 valve heads and install them? I gotta wonder what else is needed for a boost in hp....

You can swap in the 310 HP "P.I." heads. You cannot swap in the 3-valve heads. Too much is different. It would be easier to add a turbo two.

Do you know for sure, that all Ford did was change out the heads to up the output. Just asking & wondering if maybe any other part of the engine was changed.
Neil