Does this qualify as "sway"?

fj12ryder wrote:

bgum wrote:
Total ignorance of how to drive. Needs to attend driving class and have license suspended for period of time. He knew the conditions. He clearly could see the issue ahead. He clearly was driving too fast for the conditions. Any thing else is an excuse.

You gathered all that information from a 3 second glimpse?

Ya that's pretty good! I at least tried to asses the situation from what I seen.

bgum wrote:
Total ignorance of how to drive. Needs to attend driving class and have license suspended for period of time. He knew the conditions. He clearly could see the issue ahead. He clearly was driving too fast for the conditions. Any thing else is an excuse.

You gathered all that information from a 3 second glimpse?

fj12ryder wrote:
That's, literally, a 10 second video with no detail, no background, no nothing, so how can a person comment on anything other than "Wow, a wreck".

Agreed (3 seconds of action)

Total ignorance of how to drive. Needs to attend driving class and have license suspended for period of time. He knew the conditions. He clearly could see the issue ahead. He clearly was driving too fast for the conditions. Any thing else is an excuse.

U-haul tandem axle trailer have surge brakes. Hard braking with this setup can easily lockup the trailer tires, and recovering from that is very unintuitive, because you have to "pull away" from the trailer to make them release at that point. The return spring in the coupler don't have enough push to do anything once the brakes are locked up. And when the driver felt the trailer push, they likely jammed the TV brakes harder.

rhagfo wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
That's, literally, a 10 second video with no detail, no background, no nothing, so how can a person comment on anything other than "Wow, a wreck".

Well reading the account in the story there is a statement from the local police.

"“This is a graphic reminder to slow down, especially when roads are slick and you see flashing lights,” the police said.

Oklahoma’s “Move Over” law requires drivers approaching emergency and law enforcement vehicles to move over to another lane or slow down to “a safe speed,” dependent on existing road conditions."

It doesn't state if the driver was cited for failure to abide by the Move Over law, or driving too fast for conditions.

Well since the vehicle and trailer were already sideways and going slower (watch the very beginning before the impact and you'll see it was moving slow, the part that was fast was the trailer swinging around) I would say they were in the process of slowing down. Probably braked too hard causing the trailer to swing around the TV. And if you notice that is a curve on a downhill, that just sets up an unpredictable scenario for someone that doesn't tow. That's just my guess. Also being a Uhaul I wonder how he condition of the tires are?

fj12ryder wrote:
That's, literally, a 10 second video with no detail, no background, no nothing, so how can a person comment on anything other than "Wow, a wreck".

Well reading the account in the story there is a statement from the local police.

"“This is a graphic reminder to slow down, especially when roads are slick and you see flashing lights,” the police said.

Oklahoma’s “Move Over” law requires drivers approaching emergency and law enforcement vehicles to move over to another lane or slow down to “a safe speed,” dependent on existing road conditions."

It doesn't state if the driver was cited for failure to abide by the Move Over law, or driving too fast for conditions.

That's, literally, a 10 second video with no detail, no background, no nothing, so how can a person comment on anything other than "Wow, a wreck".

bukhrn wrote:
Does not qualify as sway, it is in fact, recklessly driving too fast for conditions, obviously ignoring emergency equipment WITH lights flashing, should one or both of those firefighters unfortunately pass away, that driver should be charged with manslaughter. :M

No. Punishment should not be dependent on a fire fighter dying. The drive should be required to show up when the workers do at a road construction sight. Spend the shifts blindfolded, standing in a barrel, to protect the workers from traffic.

Does not qualify as sway, it is in fact, recklessly driving too fast for conditions, obviously ignoring emergency equipment WITH lights flashing, should one or both of those firefighters unfortunately pass away, that driver should be charged with manslaughter. :M