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Ex-rental breakdown and warranty fiasco

dbwiddis
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Before purchasing an ex-rental RV, I read these forums to find out as much as I could, got bad reviews for one company but great reviews on another, and many success stories. Most of the warnings I heard were based on theoretical, rather than actual problems.

Well, I'm now finding myself in the middle of an actual ex-rental issue. Posting for advice at this point, and still hoping the selling dealer can help me out here. So here's the scoop:

- On November 22, bought a high mileage former rental unit from El Monte RV. (2006 Fleetwood Jamboree GT 31W with 100K+ miles.) Price was great, interior had been refurbished and looked almost new. It came with a 12 mo/12K mile "power train warranty" to ease my mind on any mechanical issues (in the first year at least). Service during the sale and even immediately after (fixing small issues that we discovered on the drive home) has been exemplary.

- On December 14, on the second day of our "maiden voyage" with the RV, we suffered a breakdown (on the Freeway in L.A.). We had accumulated less than 500 miles since our purchase, most of it highway driving.

- The symptom driving was a thunk sound somewhere below/behind me, and shortly afterward noticing that I was "coasting". Essentially the transmission seemed to be in "neutral" even when it was actually in other gears. Fortunately I had enough momentum to get me to the next off-ramp and out of the way of high speed traffic.

- Repair shop diagnosis has shown that the emergency brake booster (immediately behind the transmission, attached to the drive train) "disintegrated" and there is other damage to the transmission output shaft and other components in the drive train. Repair estimates are $3200.

- Good Sam Roadside Assistance was awesome in getting us to a safe spot Saturday night and a followon tow Monday morning to a repair shop. Nothing but good things to say about them. Not so much the warranty company...

- I am still trying to get the warranty company to acknowledge that I have a contract. They do not have the paperwork yet (apparently it normally takes 30 days to get to them and it's only been 27 days) even though El Monte claims to have faxed it to them Monday. I've faxed my own copy so they are at least starting some administrative wheels moving, although they won't authorize anything until they get it.

- Even if they do get the paper work, the warranty company is using the weasel language in the fine print to claim they cannot cover the repairs, since they claim the brake booster is not listed as part of the power train, and "damage to covered components caused by non-covered components" is not covered. (Nor is damage to non-covered components caused by covered components.) There's no proof that one portion of the damage occurred before the other, but that's their position. The repair shop is trying to work with them and escalate the situation for review.

In the meantime, I'm stuck without my RV (had planned a 4-week cross-country trip over the holidays that will now be undertaken in a cramped minivan) and trying to figure out who (if anyone) is going to pay for the repairs. My local dealer (which has given me great service and probably would repair it if I were local) has referred me to El Monte corporate, but I'm having trouble getting through to them on the phone. Working on an email to them right now.

Anyway, I'm interested in any advice more seasoned RVers may have in how I can try to handle this. By the "letter of the law" I'm probably SOL, but at the same time, El Monte RV has a reputation to protect and has been very helpful so far. I'm optimistic they'll try to help me out here. If they don't, you'll be the first to know.

I have looked into local "lemon laws" and while none cover used vehicles, apparently there is a law in NV that a power train inspection must be done (and given to customer) for a used vehicle sold with >75K miles. I'm pretty sure this was not done. I can (but have not yet) threaten to file a complaint with the DMV. Of course, there's also BBB and other means of posting complaints (along with this thread here). Anything else I might try?
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garyhaupt
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monkey44 wrote:
QUOTE: "The OP posted yesterday that the issue is being taken care of by El Monte."

Judging by a lot of posts, on a lot of threads, posters come on, read the OP and nothing else, bounce to the end and post the "official answer" and spin off into the night. Most times, if you don't follow the thread, the answers become useless.


Yep, that is so.

Hey OP...that means the Original Poster...you 'could' go to your post, hit edit..and add the update at the beginning...stops the aforementioned.


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okgc
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dbwiddis wrote:
Wow... Good News already.

WIthin minutes of me posting this, I got a call from El Monte RV corporate.

They are going to (at their expense) go pick up the RV from the current repair shop and take it to their shop. And repair it for me. And deliver it to me back here at my home city.

And even reimburse me the $190 I will be paying to the repair shop for the labor to diagnose the problem.

So, frustrated at the mechanical issue happening but having good things to say about El Monte RV's willingness to go the extra mile in standing by their power train warranty even when the weasels at "portfolio protection" don't.

Lesson learned: if your vehicle breaks down, your first stop should be your selling dealer or their affiliate...


Congrats.....I am impressed. :B
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monkey44
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QUOTE: "The OP posted yesterday that the issue is being taken care of by El Monte."

Judging by a lot of posts, on a lot of threads, posters come on, read the OP and nothing else, bounce to the end and post the "official answer" and spin off into the night. Most times, if you don't follow the thread, the answers become useless.
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Mich_F
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Golden_HVAC wrote:
You broke down in LA, and are not that far from El Monte's Corporate offices. My guess is they have the mechanics that can make such a repair? Probably have changed out those parking brakes many times on other rental units.

Check with El Monte and see if they can make the repair and bill the insurance co. The transmission is part of the powertrain, and my guess is a high dollar lawyer on your part will claim is it a covered part. The parking brake is part of the transmission, mounted right to it.

Fred.


The OP posted yesterday that the issue is being taken care of by El Monte.
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I_am_still_wayn
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Golden_HVAC wrote:


Check with El Monte and see if they can make the repair and bill the insurance co. The transmission is part of the powertrain, and my guess is a high dollar lawyer on your part will claim is it a covered part. The parking brake is part of the transmission, mounted right to it.

Fred.


None of this really matters. If you had read through the thread, you would realize the OP has already posted that the selling company is going to make the repair and deliver the RV to him as well as repay for the money he has already spent.

Golden_HVAC
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You broke down in LA, and are not that far from El Monte's Corporate offices. My guess is they have the mechanics that can make such a repair? Probably have changed out those parking brakes many times on other rental units.

Check with El Monte and see if they can make the repair and bill the insurance co. The transmission is part of the powertrain, and my guess is a high dollar lawyer on your part will claim is it a covered part. The parking brake is part of the transmission, mounted right to it.

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gotsmart
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dbwiddis wrote:

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- Repair shop diagnosis has shown that the emergency brake booster (immediately behind the transmission, attached to the drive train) "disintegrated" and there is other damage to the transmission output shaft and other components in the drive train. Repair estimates are $3200.
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The parking brake on an E450 on on the back of the transmission. It, more or less, is a drive shaft clamp. I priced replacing it in 2012. I was quoted $1,295 USD + installation (of about $150.00). From what I can tell shops would rather replace the E450's parking brake than try to rebuild it. From the sound of it, yours may be beyond being rebuilt.

This is a bit of an Achilles' heel with the E450. Because the parking brake is mated to the back of the transmission, if the seal between the parking brake and the transmission fails the transmission can lose fluid and suffer damage.

The parking brake has its own fluid reservoir that holds about 4 ounces of transmission fluid. It should at least be checked during maintenance intervals and is not well documented.
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qtla9111
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We rented our first rv from them in an attempt to see what kind of rv we wanted to buy. Considering I knew nothing about rvs, we flew out, picked up the rv and off we went. Everything went smoothly. I'll never forget the experience. Glad everything is working out. Keep us posted on the final outcome.
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IAMICHABOD
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Dan,
First off welcome to the Forum and second I am sorry that you had a problem with your Ex Rental. As you can see in my signature I also own a Ex Rental from El Monte RV.

I have had many trouble free miles on my rig and am very happy with it.

It would seem that they are stepping up to the plate and making things right. I have been in their shop in Santa Fe Springs for a minor repair and they bent over backward to make sure that I was happy.

I met with the General Manager when I was finalizing the deal and he made it very clear that if anything happened during the Warrantee period, to call him personally to get it fixed in his shop or get it to a shop to get it fixed. He also made it clear that his reputation for service would not be tarnished by someone else.

I found that quite refreshing and honest. They all seemed to have that mind set.

Please keep us informed of the outcome and maybe post about it on the Thread Buying a Rental Class C so others can hear about Buying a Ex Rental from a real owner of one.

Thanks and I hope it all works out well.
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dbwiddis
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The event did happen on a "short" 4 day trip to sunny Southern California, a few weeks before the more aggressive drive. But point taken!

RFCN2
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dbwiddis - I know you may not want to hear this, but after 33 years of motor homing me thinks you are an optimist to take off across the country in winter. Prudence might suggest short trips to wring the bugs out of it first.
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jdog
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Wow! You are lucky for buying from El Monte. They are good people!

dbwiddis
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path1,

Yep, these forums are a great source of info on the ex-rentals and now I suppose I'm one of the "Good News El Monte RV" stories that I read and researched prior to choosing to buy from them. Notsomuch the other big rental company! No regrets.

Dan

path1
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We also bought a x-rental with high mileage. I too saw a lot of language in warranty that made me think warranty was written so seller could get out of paying anything, just like any warranty from any dealer IMO. Fast forward 6 years and we have enjoyed this RV more than others we have had. No major problems. When our trans does go we are going to do the Ford dealer remanufacture thing so we can get service most anywhere. I think you'll get wringles worked out in time as El Monte (stories I've researched prior to buying ours) gives a little bit better support than the other major rental place where we bought ours.

(edited part) WOW before I got my slow fingers to work and post you've already got problem getting worked out. Glad it is working for you.
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