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jffkrn
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Jul 26, 2014

Fifth wheel Towing Help

While planning on an upgrade soon, weight ratings have me baffled. I have plugged in the numbers on some weight calculators and they come up short of what I can tow including the trailer I am towing now!!! But, it gets better, the weight ratings show I am fine towing what I am now and the scales show me way in the good also. So here is my dilemma. Tow vehicle is a gasoline 2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio. I am towing a travel trailer at 6400 lbs now without any issues. So the plan to upgrade to a fifth wheel with a GVWR of 13900 and hitch weith at 1955. Manufacture shows a GCVWR of tow vehicle at 16000. Going through the checks and balances of different calculators and using all the info I have I come up short of towing the new fifth wheel. Now the question is how come everyone is pulling a large fifth wheel with the weight ratings that don't work or not within spec? I am not one to ignore the specs, but just about ready too unless I by a 2 ton truck! I am sure my truck will handle the weight etc, tow ratings jump with different gear ratio and / or diesel so the truck is the same, just mechanical difference so fuel mileage will suffer is the main issue only? Am I crazy or what? Honest input will be helpful. I will get with some folks at PD commercial enforcement to help as well. Your input is welcome and I thank you in advance.

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  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
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    Aug 04, 2014
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    jffkrn wrote:
    OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
    2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
    owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
    actual scale reads with full fuel and passengers 6840
    front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
    door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
    Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
    calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


    Should be good to go. 20% pin good 25% is close to max.
  • jffkrn's avatar
    jffkrn
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    Aug 04, 2014
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    OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
    2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
    owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
    actual scale reads with full fuel and passengers 6840
    front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
    door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
    Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
    calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !
  • rhagfo's avatar
    rhagfo
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    Aug 03, 2014
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    Golden_HVAC wrote:


    Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight.

    Fred.


    Many of us tow over 10,000# 5ers with a 3/4 ton. Newer 3/4 ton (AKA 250/2500)have payload capacity's in excess of 10,000# GVWR on the TV, giving payloads to handle a 10,000# 5er.

    I tow an 11,000# wet, 9,820# dry, and 12,360# GVWR 5er with my 01 Ram, yep over GVWR, but still within axle & tire ratings. The only suspension enhancement is a full set of Bilstien 5100's.

    NO I am not crazy, the truck does great towing this rig hills or flat.

    Yep loaded for a great trip.
  • Itching2go's avatar
    Itching2go
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    Aug 02, 2014
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    Here's my perspective after towing a 10,000 lb fiver with a 2006 Chevy 2500 HD for several years, including one trip from Indiana to the Grand Tetons, Yellowstone, and back home via the Black Hills. Could I do it? Yes. Was I crazy? No. Did I have any problems? No. But, I will tell you that it was a lot of work, and especially when driving any significant grades at altitude. It was what we had at the time, and I made it work. But since then, we've upgraded to our current 3500 D/A and the difference is night and day, even with a heavier trailer (13,000 lbs loaded). Can now use cruise control, and don't have to creep over the passes with my foot buried in the floorboard to just maintain 20 MPH. Oh... and did I tell you my MPG increased by some 40%?

    So would I do it again? Yes, if that's the setup I have and am not in a position to upgrade. I didn't feel unsafe, just under equipped.

    My experience. Others may have a different one.
  • RCMAN46's avatar
    RCMAN46
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    Aug 01, 2014
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    "Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight."

    I hope this was a typing error. If it is not I am sure there are thousands of crazy people towing 10,000 lb trailers with a 3/4 ton truck myself included.


    Sorry had to correct a typing error. Misspelled typing.
  • rhagfo's avatar
    rhagfo
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    Aug 01, 2014
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    jffkrn wrote:
    Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


    That should fit your 2500 just fine and the 6.0 gas should pull it just fine.

    PS: I would not have tried to pull that 16,000# 5er with my 2500 diesel!
  • mkirsch's avatar
    mkirsch
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    Aug 01, 2014
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    If you're not one to exceed the ratings, then the 9900lb tow rating should put the kaybosh on this mega-5er idea right off the bat.

    A 13,900lb GVWR 5th wheel is going to be over 10,000lbs dry. 10,000+ > 9900.

    The reality is that your actual "tow rating" based on real weights will be less than 9900lbs, but you're going to be way over the limit just using the manufacturer's optimistic tow ratings before you even start talking about real numbers...
  • jffkrn's avatar
    jffkrn
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    Jul 31, 2014
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    Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !
  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
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    Jul 27, 2014
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    wclement1248 wrote:
    You need to get the manufacturers specs and actual scale weights. According to ford, my 2014 4X2 F250 turbo diesel crew cab will tow 5ers up to 16,300. The payload is 3640. GCVWR is 26,000. The scale weight of the truck ready to go camping leaves me about 3,230 available for payload. This gives me plenty of room for towing many 5ers.
    Jffkrn, I would think you have the capacity to tow a number of 5ers. Do your research and find a trailer that works


    You would be overloaded according to your numbers to tow the RV you mention! 20% of 16,300 is 3,260# and if you use your RV more than just weekends the pin will easily reach 25% that is 4,075#.

    This is where people get overloaded by using towing numbers instead of real world pin weights.
  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
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    Jul 27, 2014
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    jffkrn wrote:
    Thought I put it all in. HD2500 extended cab, 4 x 4 regular or 6foot 6 inch bed gvwr 9900, rear axle 6084 vehicle weight is at 5800thanks jeff


    This is what you wrote "2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio"

    I am wondering if you meant to say 8,800# GVWR?????? You did not say it was a 2500.

    Bottom line you are fine with your TT but the 5er is too much.

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jffkrn wrote:
OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
actual scale reads with full fuel and passengers 6840
front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


Should be good to go. 20% pin good 25% is close to max.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-04T09:50:48.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-04T09:50:48.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255645","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"730","rawBody":"
jffkrn wrote:
OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
actual scale reads with full fuel and passengers 6840
front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


Should be good to go. 20% pin good 25% is close to max.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255645_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255644":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255644","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255644":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:332436"},"id":"message:1255644","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255644,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255644"},"body":"OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
actual scale reads with full fuel and passengers 6840
front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-04T05:41:17.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-04T05:41:17.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255644","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"618","rawBody":"OK - So the actual numbers and info is /are:
2010 GMC Sierra HD 25004 X 4, 3:73 gears, extended cab, 6 1/2 ft bed.
owners manual says; Max trailer weight 9900 lbs 16000 GCWR
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front axle 3760 rear axle 3080
door sticker gvwr 9200 fr ax 4200 rr ax 6084
Trailer now that we are looking at is considered half ton towable with max gvwr at weighs in at 10320 uvwr 7550 hitch at 1520.
calculating all we carry at 2000 lbs, (recalculated all) I think we will be ok? ! ? ! ? Your input once again is welcome. Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255644_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:2086":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:2086","uid":2086,"login":"rhagfo","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2012-07-06T09:49:57.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-12.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:40"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:2086"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255643":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255643","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255643":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2086"},"id":"message:1255643","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255643,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255643"},"body":"
Golden_HVAC wrote:


Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight.

Fred.


Many of us tow over 10,000# 5ers with a 3/4 ton. Newer 3/4 ton (AKA 250/2500)have payload capacity's in excess of 10,000# GVWR on the TV, giving payloads to handle a 10,000# 5er.

I tow an 11,000# wet, 9,820# dry, and 12,360# GVWR 5er with my 01 Ram, yep over GVWR, but still within axle & tire ratings. The only suspension enhancement is a full set of Bilstien 5100's.

NO I am not crazy, the truck does great towing this rig hills or flat.

Yep loaded for a great trip.
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Golden_HVAC wrote:


Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight.

Fred.


Many of us tow over 10,000# 5ers with a 3/4 ton. Newer 3/4 ton (AKA 250/2500)have payload capacity's in excess of 10,000# GVWR on the TV, giving payloads to handle a 10,000# 5er.

I tow an 11,000# wet, 9,820# dry, and 12,360# GVWR 5er with my 01 Ram, yep over GVWR, but still within axle & tire ratings. The only suspension enhancement is a full set of Bilstien 5100's.

NO I am not crazy, the truck does great towing this rig hills or flat.

Yep loaded for a great trip.
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So would I do it again? Yes, if that's the setup I have and am not in a position to upgrade. I didn't feel unsafe, just under equipped.

My experience. Others may have a different one.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-02T07:29:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-02T07:29:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":427},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255642","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"977","rawBody":"Here's my perspective after towing a 10,000 lb fiver with a 2006 Chevy 2500 HD for several years, including one trip from Indiana to the Grand Tetons, Yellowstone, and back home via the Black Hills. Could I do it? Yes. Was I crazy? No. Did I have any problems? No. But, I will tell you that it was a lot of work, and especially when driving any significant grades at altitude. It was what we had at the time, and I made it work. But since then, we've upgraded to our current 3500 D/A and the difference is night and day, even with a heavier trailer (13,000 lbs loaded). Can now use cruise control, and don't have to creep over the passes with my foot buried in the floorboard to just maintain 20 MPH. Oh... and did I tell you my MPG increased by some 40%?

So would I do it again? Yes, if that's the setup I have and am not in a position to upgrade. I didn't feel unsafe, just under equipped.

My experience. Others may have a different one.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255642_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:260965":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:260965","uid":260965,"login":"RCMAN46","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2008-02-24T10:28:26.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-2.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:260965"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255641":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255641","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255641":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:260965"},"id":"message:1255641","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255641,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255641"},"body":"\"Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight.\"

I hope this was a typing error. If it is not I am sure there are thousands of crazy people towing 10,000 lb trailers with a 3/4 ton truck myself included.


Sorry had to correct a typing error. Misspelled typing.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-01T16:13:43.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-01T16:13:43.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255641","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"355","rawBody":"\"Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight.\"

I hope this was a typing error. If it is not I am sure there are thousands of crazy people towing 10,000 lb trailers with a 3/4 ton truck myself included.


Sorry had to correct a typing error. Misspelled typing.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255641_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255640":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255640","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255640":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:2086"},"id":"message:1255640","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255640,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255640"},"body":"
jffkrn wrote:
Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


That should fit your 2500 just fine and the 6.0 gas should pull it just fine.

PS: I would not have tried to pull that 16,000# 5er with my 2500 diesel!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-01T08:20:04.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-01T08:20:04.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":427},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255640","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"584","rawBody":"
jffkrn wrote:
Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !


That should fit your 2500 just fine and the 6.0 gas should pull it just fine.

PS: I would not have tried to pull that 16,000# 5er with my 2500 diesel!","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255640_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"Rank:rank:38":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:38","position":27,"name":"Nomad II","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:278055":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:278055","uid":278055,"login":"mkirsch","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2004-04-09T13:58:26.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-1.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:38"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:278055"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255639":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255639","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255639":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:278055"},"id":"message:1255639","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255639,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255639"},"body":"If you're not one to exceed the ratings, then the 9900lb tow rating should put the kaybosh on this mega-5er idea right off the bat.

A 13,900lb GVWR 5th wheel is going to be over 10,000lbs dry. 10,000+ > 9900.

The reality is that your actual \"tow rating\" based on real weights will be less than 9900lbs, but you're going to be way over the limit just using the manufacturer's optimistic tow ratings before you even start talking about real numbers...","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-08-01T07:54:40.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-08-01T07:54:40.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255639","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"474","rawBody":"If you're not one to exceed the ratings, then the 9900lb tow rating should put the kaybosh on this mega-5er idea right off the bat.

A 13,900lb GVWR 5th wheel is going to be over 10,000lbs dry. 10,000+ > 9900.

The reality is that your actual \"tow rating\" based on real weights will be less than 9900lbs, but you're going to be way over the limit just using the manufacturer's optimistic tow ratings before you even start talking about real numbers...","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255639_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255638":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255638","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255638":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:332436"},"id":"message:1255638","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255638,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255638"},"body":"Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-31T10:19:13.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-31T10:19:13.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":428},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255638","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"367","rawBody":"Just an update to all, I am in the process of looking at other fifth wheels that are available. 2012 Keystone Cougar 299RKS has a similar floor plan and has a 10,000GVWR. It may be doable, so who knows. I guess a bummer for me as I was set on an Arctic Fox, but it should all work out in the end. So Thanks again for all the input. Jeff, Good Luck & Be Safe ! ! !","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255638_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255637":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255637","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255637":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:321363"},"id":"message:1255637","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255637,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255637"},"body":"
wclement1248 wrote:
You need to get the manufacturers specs and actual scale weights. According to ford, my 2014 4X2 F250 turbo diesel crew cab will tow 5ers up to 16,300. The payload is 3640. GCVWR is 26,000. The scale weight of the truck ready to go camping leaves me about 3,230 available for payload. This gives me plenty of room for towing many 5ers.
Jffkrn, I would think you have the capacity to tow a number of 5ers. Do your research and find a trailer that works


You would be overloaded according to your numbers to tow the RV you mention! 20% of 16,300 is 3,260# and if you use your RV more than just weekends the pin will easily reach 25% that is 4,075#.

This is where people get overloaded by using towing numbers instead of real world pin weights.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-27T08:02:22.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-27T08:02:22.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":427},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255637","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"825","rawBody":"
wclement1248 wrote:
You need to get the manufacturers specs and actual scale weights. According to ford, my 2014 4X2 F250 turbo diesel crew cab will tow 5ers up to 16,300. The payload is 3640. GCVWR is 26,000. The scale weight of the truck ready to go camping leaves me about 3,230 available for payload. This gives me plenty of room for towing many 5ers.
Jffkrn, I would think you have the capacity to tow a number of 5ers. Do your research and find a trailer that works


You would be overloaded according to your numbers to tow the RV you mention! 20% of 16,300 is 3,260# and if you use your RV more than just weekends the pin will easily reach 25% that is 4,075#.

This is where people get overloaded by using towing numbers instead of real world pin weights.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255637_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255636":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1255636","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1255636":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:321363"},"id":"message:1255636","revisionNum":1,"uid":1255636,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1255624"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1255624"},"subject":"Re: Fifth wheel Towing Help","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1255636"},"body":"
jffkrn wrote:
Thought I put it all in. HD2500 extended cab, 4 x 4 regular or 6foot 6 inch bed gvwr 9900, rear axle 6084 vehicle weight is at 5800thanks jeff


This is what you wrote \"2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio\"

I am wondering if you meant to say 8,800# GVWR?????? You did not say it was a 2500.

Bottom line you are fine with your TT but the 5er is too much.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-07-27T07:54:31.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-07-27T07:54:31.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":427},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:1255624/message:1255636","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"488","rawBody":"
jffkrn wrote:
Thought I put it all in. HD2500 extended cab, 4 x 4 regular or 6foot 6 inch bed gvwr 9900, rear axle 6084 vehicle weight is at 5800thanks jeff


This is what you wrote \"2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio\"

I am wondering if you meant to say 8,800# GVWR?????? You did not say it was a 2500.

Bottom line you are fine with your TT but the 5er is too much.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:1255636_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}},"customFields":[]},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/community/NavbarDropdownToggle-1741694506000","value":{"ariaLabelClosed":"Press the down arrow to open the menu"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/EscalatedMessageBanner-1741694506000","value":{"escalationMessage":"Escalated to Salesforce by {username} on {date}","viewDetails":"View Details","modalTitle":"Case Details","escalatedBy":"Escalated by: ","escalatedOn":"Escalated on: ","caseNumber":"Case Number: ","status":"Status: ","lastUpdateDate":"Last Update: ","automaticEscalation":"automatic escalation","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/users/UserLink-1741694506000","value":{"authorName":"View Profile: {author}","anonymous":"Anonymous"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-shared/client/components/users/UserRank-1741694506000","value":{"rankName":"{rankName}","userRank":"Author rank {rankName}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageTime-1741694506000","value":{"postTime":"Published: {time}","lastPublishTime":"Last Update: {time}","conversation.lastPostingActivityTime":"Last posting activity time: {time}","conversation.lastPostTime":"Last post time: {time}","moderationData.rejectTime":"Rejected time: {time}"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSolvedBadge-1741694506000","value":{"solved":"Solved"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageSubject-1741694506000","value":{"noSubject":"(no subject)"},"localOverride":false},"CachedAsset:text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000":{"__typename":"CachedAsset","id":"text:en_US-components/messages/MessageBody-1741694506000","value":{"showMessageBody":"Show More","mentionsErrorTitle":"{mentionsType, select, board {Board} user {User} message {Message} other {}} No Longer Available","mentionsErrorMessage":"The {mentionsType} you are trying to view has been removed from the community.","videoProcessing":"Video is being processed. 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