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Fifth wheel Towing Help

jffkrn
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While planning on an upgrade soon, weight ratings have me baffled. I have plugged in the numbers on some weight calculators and they come up short of what I can tow including the trailer I am towing now!!! But, it gets better, the weight ratings show I am fine towing what I am now and the scales show me way in the good also. So here is my dilemma. Tow vehicle is a gasoline 2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio. I am towing a travel trailer at 6400 lbs now without any issues. So the plan to upgrade to a fifth wheel with a GVWR of 13900 and hitch weith at 1955. Manufacture shows a GCVWR of tow vehicle at 16000. Going through the checks and balances of different calculators and using all the info I have I come up short of towing the new fifth wheel. Now the question is how come everyone is pulling a large fifth wheel with the weight ratings that don't work or not within spec? I am not one to ignore the specs, but just about ready too unless I by a 2 ton truck! I am sure my truck will handle the weight etc, tow ratings jump with different gear ratio and / or diesel so the truck is the same, just mechanical difference so fuel mileage will suffer is the main issue only? Am I crazy or what? Honest input will be helpful. I will get with some folks at PD commercial enforcement to help as well. Your input is welcome and I thank you in advance.
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jffkrn
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truck weight at scales is at 5800, front axle from door is 4200. The weight rating is last weigh in at scales subtracted form the total amount. I will still have to go to the scales without trailer, but should be pretty close. thanks Jeff

lawrosa
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OK.. So tow rating with 3:73 gears you can tow 9900..

Rear axle is 6084 correct? ( From door tag?)

What is your rear axle weight from scale ticket weighing truck only????

This will get you your max payload.....

May as well give us the front axle info too....
Mike L ... N.J.

2006 Silverado ext cab long bed. 3:42 rear. LM7 5.3 motor. 300 hp 350 ft lbs torgue @ 4000 rpms
2018 coachmen Catalina sbx 261bh

jffkrn
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Thought I put it all in. HD2500 extended cab, 4 x 4 regular or 6foot 6 inch bed gvwr 9900, rear axle 6084 vehicle weight is at 5800thanks jeff

lawrosa
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While planning on an upgrade soon, weight ratings have me baffled. I have plugged in the numbers on some weight calculators and they come up short of what I can tow including the trailer I am towing now!!! But, it gets better, the weight ratings show I am fine towing what I am now and the scales show me way in the good also. So here is my dilemma. Tow vehicle is a gasoline 2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio. I am towing a travel trailer at 6400 lbs now without any issues. So the plan to upgrade to a fifth wheel with a GVWR of 13900 and hitch weith at 1955. Manufacture shows a GCVWR of tow vehicle at 16000. Going through the checks and balances of different calculators and using all the info I have I come up short of towing the new fifth wheel. Now the question is how come everyone is pulling a large fifth wheel with the weight ratings that don't work or not within spec? I am not one to ignore the specs, but just about ready too unless I by a 2 ton truck! I am sure my truck will handle the weight etc, tow ratings jump with different gear ratio and / or diesel so the truck is the same, just mechanical difference so fuel mileage will suffer is the main issue only? Am I crazy or what? Honest input will be helpful. I will get with some folks at PD commercial enforcement to help as well. Your input is welcome and I thank you in advance.



You need to tell us your exact truck.. meaning is it a 1500 or 2500? What bed and cab??

Then you need to tell us what your scale weights are of the truck only...

Then you need to tell us the axle ratings of your truck ( Inside door tag)

After we get that we will know your payload and be able to tell you what you can tow..

All other answers without that info would all be assumption period...
Mike L ... N.J.

2006 Silverado ext cab long bed. 3:42 rear. LM7 5.3 motor. 300 hp 350 ft lbs torgue @ 4000 rpms
2018 coachmen Catalina sbx 261bh

Golden_HVAC
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jffkrn wrote:
While planning on an upgrade soon, weight ratings have me baffled. I have plugged in the numbers on some weight calculators and they come up short of what I can tow including the trailer I am towing now!!!

But, it gets better, the weight ratings show I am fine towing what I am now and the scales show me way in the good also. So here is my dilemma.

Tow vehicle is a gasoline 2010 GMC Sierra 4X4 extended cab regular or short bed manufacture GVWR of 9900, 3:73 ear ratio. I am towing a travel trailer at 6400 lbs now without any issues.

So the plan to upgrade to a fifth wheel with a GVWR of 13900 and hitch weith at 1955. Manufacture shows a GCVWR of tow vehicle at 16000. Going through the checks and balances of different calculators and using all the info I have I come up short of towing the new fifth wheel.

Now the question is how come everyone is pulling a large fifth wheel with the weight ratings that don't work or not within spec? I am not one to ignore the specs, but just about ready too unless I by a 2 ton truck!

I am sure my truck will handle the weight etc, tow ratings jump with different gear ratio and / or diesel so the truck is the same, just mechanical difference so fuel mileage will suffer is the main issue only?

Am I crazy or what? Honest input will be helpful. I will get with some folks at PD commercial enforcement to help as well. Your input is welcome and I thank you in advance.


Some people insist in putting 10 questions into one paragraph, and it is difficult for me to read - I am half blind. So I split things up.

Yes you would be crazy to use a 3/4 ton truck to tow a 10,000 pound fifth wheel with a 2,000 pound hitch weight. The 6,5000 pound travel trailer with a 650 - 1,000 pound hitch weight is fine, because it is so light. Yet double the hitch weight, and then fill the forward water tank with 75 gallons of water (close to 650 pounds), and you will have the rear axle begging for mercy!

The gas engine actually helps your situation, because it is about 400 pounds less curb weight than a diesel version of the same truck, so you have 400 pounds of additional cargo rating to work with.

Yes a 1 ton SRW truck is required to tow most fifth wheels that have GVWR over 15,000 pounds. The loaded pin weight can be well into the 3000 pound area, and the hitch itself comes in a 150 pound crate.

Good luck with your trailer purchase, and if you keep looking at fifth wheels, truck purchase as well.

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sail2liv
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Not sure if the GCWR goes up if you go to a 4.1, but towing weight does increase. You did not give the dry weight of the 5 er you are thinking about.
If you go over 10k I would consider a diesel for a TV...I like the long bed for a longer wheel base...along with the crew cab....give a very stable tow with a gas truck in all conditions.....but trailer is under 10k loaded.....good luck
IMO don t just get by with a TV....bigger is always better it only takes one time not having a big enough truck to pull with to have serious problem.....

Cummins12V98
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The 5er is twice the weight as your TT. The minimum pin for the 5er will be around 2,780#. That is a lot of weight for a GAS pot also.
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