Firearms in RV

[jefffoxsr]

In Michigan and other states is a person allowed to keep a shotgun or revolver in an RV without a concealed carry permit?

Thanks.

[mike-uswest]

I would like to thank everyone for the links, and answers. What got me thinking about it was the article in the NRA American Hunter about the women in New Jersey that had her life destroyed because even with a concealed permit from her home in Pennsylvania, when stopped for traffic offense she mentioned to the New Jersey patrolman that she did have a weapon in the car, and ended up in jail and in hot water that essentially ruined her life. I carry a pistol in the truck, and one in my fifth wheel. It sounds like the one in the truck will have to go when not in Oregon. Again, thanks for the replies, I haven't been on the computer since yesterday, and this has been extremely interesting. A lot of new sites in my favorites.

Mike

[Lauren]

C-Bears --- very well said. My wife and I were born and raised in Geneva, IL; 35 miles due west from the Loop. I went to IIT for 4 1/2 years and, as you may know, was not (and maybe still is not) the best neighborhood in Chicago some 50 years ago. It was pretty scary place then; and probably more so now.

And, of course, no one even thought about personal weapons there or then.

Thank you for your service.

Merry Christmas all

[C-Bears]

jefffoxsr wrote:
In Michigan and other states is a person allowed to keep a shotgun or revolver in an RV without a concealed carry permit?

Thanks.

I was going to keep quiet on this subject, but there has been so much mis-information posted reference Illinois that I felt I should post.

My opinion/knowledge of this subject is based on 33 years (now retired) as a LEO in Illinois, the last 22 of which were as an Illinois Trooper.

Illinois firearm laws could apply differently between MH RV's and pull behinds (either FW's or TT's).

When traveling down the road in a FW or TT, or while camped, it is your residence. You could have guns laying all over the place in plain sight. There are some different laws that pertain to securing firearms in a residence where children are present, etc., but generally speaking your firearm, loaded or not in one of the aforementioned RV types would be perfectly legal while traveling/camping in Illinois.

Now if you are a convicted felon and can not legally possess firearms, then that opens up another can of worms. But just remember that for police to enter a residence they have to have a search warrant or other emergency circumstances have to be present.

Concealed Carry Permits were just passed into law for the first time in Illinois (last state to do so). That has changed some of the laws reference loaded weapons in motor vehicles. Here is the short version, if you are driving your tow vehicle, or MH in Illinois, your firearm must be unloaded, cased, and not within your reach. Does that mean your ammo can be in your glove box and your gun in a lock box on your back seat? Probably in some counties in Illinois they would prosecute you, and some may not.

The exception to having a loaded, reachable firearm in the vehicle while driving in Illinois, is if you are a LEO, retired LEO in good standing and certified to carrying a firearms from your home department, or if you as a citizen have an Illinois CC permit, or a permit from another state that Illinois recognizes (good luck with that one).

I would never tell anyone that all of Illinois roadways or cities are safe. If you want to be murdered the second best place to go, after south of the U.S. border, would be Chicago.

I carry and I would encourage most to carry if they can do so in a safe and legal manor.

[Wadcutter]

mdamerell wrote:

Well if the Feds establish the rules, as you stated above, it seems to me you proved my point that the Interstate is a separate deal and the Feds set the rules (enforced by the states). Granted many those rules are codified into state law for other roads within the state.

You are way confused. The FMCS rules have nothing at all to do with transporting firearms. Absolutely nothing. So why are you even bringing it up? Simple reason. Because you don't have anything else to throw up the smoke screen or because you really don't know and think you do. Fact is FMCS has nothing at all to do with 1) transporting firearms and 2) for truckers is not restricted just to interstate highways.

I've had a CDL for 19.5 years so I know a little something from my Interstate miles.

OK, now that explains a lot. I'm not surprised since you threw out the FMCS reference. A truck driver. Yeah, there's a guy with a lot of legal expertise.
Don't give legal info when you don't have a clue what you're talking about. You end up confusing others, give out incorrect info, and you end up just embarrassing yourself where you try to post something total irrelevant as if that is to support your position. Embarrassing yourself is your problem. Providing erroneous info to someone else who doesn't know is the real problem.

You did post something that I agree with:

many people miss understand all the laws.

You have proven you very words.

[Bumpyroad]

one of the previous posts on transporting weapons reminded me that years back I read that one should carry an ad for a gun show in the near future someplace near where you are going. that is the reason you are carrying the weapon, to sell it, which semi-legalizes it. at least it did at that time. that was prior to 9-11, home land security, etc.
but as previously mentioned, the best is just to carry a 12 gauge pump shotgun. makes a very noticeable easily reconized sound.
bumpy

[down_home]

It use to be that you had to store guns on the base, if you had them with you when you entered.
My son was refused because he had a new rifle, in the box gift wrapped, in the trunk.
That was AF.
I hadn't thought about it except for that. Apparently things have changed.
Anyone read up on it or know?
A while back I was invited to a pistol competition, on a base. I didn't go
I now wonder if they would have let me on the base with it.

[mdamerell]

Wadcutter wrote:

mdamerell wrote:

While I over simplified the statement, the Interstate is normally considered the direct route between states for transportation. Ask any trucker and they will tell you the rules are different on an And I know all about truckers rules. I was one of the first 2 Troopers in IL in 1983 to be certified to enforce the Federal Motor Carrier Safety Rules. In IL only the ISP is authorized to enforce FMCS laws. To be certified to enforce the FMCS is an additional Interstate vs any other road. The states enforce the rules the Feds establish on the Interstate but the Feds sent the rules.

No you didn't 'over simplified'. You gave incorrect information. To be certified in FMCS enforcement requires specialized 6 weeks of training and testing. I also taught the law, was recognized by the feds and state courts as an expert in FMCS law. Just for your edification, FMCS laws once adopted by the state are enforceable anywhere in the state on any roadway, not just the interstate. The feds don't enforce anything on any interstate. There are no feds out patrolling traffic enforcement just on interstates. Doesn't happen in IL or IN or any other state.
What you wrote is still incorrect. The feds do NOT set the rules on the interstates. Does not happen that way. Don't know where you got your information but it is totally incorrect. If you knew anything about the law and thought about what you wrote then you would realize your assertion makes absolutely no sense.
And none of that has anything to do with transporting a firearm. You're so far off base that you try covering your stuff with trucker info which you didn't get that right either.

mdamerell wrote:

The two Flyers from IL I posted are both still posted on the IL DNR and IL State police websites. Look at the link when you open the pdf file. Perhaps the state needs to update what they post..

You found those on the internet. You did not find those on the ISP and DNR websites. You did a poor job of doing a websearch and then posted the first thing you found and then acted as if you knew what you were talking about. You don't. You did NOT find those on the current ISP nor DNR websites. If you know anything about the internet once something is posted it remains. But neither are on the current ISP nor DNR websites. Had you actually gone to the ISP and/or DNR websites you would have gotten the up to date info.

This is part of the issue, when states can't even post current information. Good luck in your research, I wish you success.

Since you apparently are unable to do an adequate job of searching current websites here's the link to the ISP website. ISP
Look around on the ISP website. Please point to where the current website has any of those flyers you posted. I'll help you out since you've shown you can't find even the website. On the left side of the screen you'll see a drop down titled "Firearms". Go ahead and click on it. Then provide the link that you claim is on the website for those flyers. You won't find those flyers because they're long out of date and haven't been linked to the ISP website in nearly 10 years.
No need to try to justify your actions. You got it wrong and didn't know where to find the right info. Don't blame it on what you claim a state can't get current info. The ISP and DNR does. You are just unable to know it.
You're showing a prime example why laymen should quick giving legal advice. They don't know where to look or research.

If you open the Firearms drop down menu there is no link to Transporting a Fire Arm through the state of IL. Transfer, FFL's, CCW, etc.... but no Transport.

If you go to the IL DNR website IL DNR "Look under I want to" and click on "Transport my firearm legally" oh look, the flyer I referenced. Now in Indiana the DNR is responsible for all firearm related matters. The ISP site wants to direct me in that direction if I search the ISP site for Transporting Firearms, so IL maybe similar. I don't know.

Well if the Feds establish the rules, as you stated above, it seems to me you proved my point that the Interstate is a separate deal and the Feds set the rules (enforced by the states). Granted many those rules are codified into state law for other roads within the state.

Never claimed to give legal advise. I posted some links for others to read and do their own research. If you don't like the link disregard it.

I've had a CDL for 19.5 years so I know a little something from my Interstate miles. Think what you like. Have a good night.

[ken_burke]

holstein13 wrote:

Highway 4x4 wrote:
If no one ever sees it, is there one in there? When are you asked if there is a gun in your RV? How often do you plan on using it? Or better yet, how often have you used one?

When I went to visit the National Naval Aviation Museum a month ago, the guards at the road entrance asked us if we had weapons. We weren't carrying because we have two children in the MH with us. I always wondered if they would have let us in had I told them yes.

I know. I wanted to go on a Naval air base; the guard asked me if I had a firearm in my truck. I said yes. (this is no time to lie). He would not let me on the base. He wouldn't even keep my pistol while I was on the base.

[ken_burke]

bob213 wrote:
Carrying your gun in your trailer is not considered "concealed carry". Your RV is basically considered your "home". A MH may have different rules since you have ready access to the weapon.
Here is a map that shows states that honor your CCW.
Reciprocity

I agree. I think that anyone can buy a shotgun and carry it in your trailer with no problem for your own portection. If you have to use your shotgun, no one will say anything as long as it is a good shoot. In other words, you want to shoot someone in your trailer that does not belong in your trailer. DO NOT shoot someone outside of your trailer unless they are coming at you with a gun, knife, ax, and you think that your life is at stake.
As far as a handgun goes . . . It depends on the state. If you keep your handgun in the trailer you should be okay (if you are legal to buy a hangun. Like someone said . . . your trailer is you residence.
Everybody should have a shotgun, at least, in their trailer.

[Highway_4x4]

I like guns and have owned them all my life. Have not shot one in many years and hope to never shoot one in defense. I think the best tool on the road is bear spray. Good for 30 feet, not lethal so the bar for use is not so high and its legal anywhere, almost. It will stop the situation. If the other guy is shooting at you you're probably already dead anyway. My 100+ pound dog, bear spray, cell phone, are always with me along with some self awareness and common sense. For the breakdown in the middle of no where on a dark night, I go to plan "B".

[msgtord]

TOMMY47 wrote:
mdamerall--I'm pretty sure( 99.9% ) you are wrong. The interstates don't grant you any immunity from state laws.
If you're driving an interstate in Illinois with a gun and you get pulled over, the state or local cops will do it, not feds. You WILL be arrested.
I know, in National parks, you are subject to the laws of the state the park is in.

True. There are no Federal Officers that patrol the interstates. Even Border Patrol has to contact a state certified Officer for any weapons violations.

[Lauren]

Actually, best protection of all is a 12 gauge. Don't have to aim - just point.

[MrWizard]

1: it amazes me the huge number of people that think, bad things can never happen to them and they don't need to protect themselves

2: these same people almost always think its the "police" job to protect them

3: the "police" job is to catch the bad guys AFTER the crime..not to guard you
they stop what they can when they can, but that is after they know there is a bad guy to look for

[Lauren]

The only gun my father had was the Springfield he carried in France in WWI - an act that gave the Swedish immigrant his citizenship. With great pride I still have that rifle in my office area at home - along with his dogtag and war decorations.

At age 12 I wanted to hunt so got a shotgun for pheasants; northern IL. As the years passed I got a couple of handguns and a .308 for deer hunting. Sold them all when we moved to Estes Park - except for my Remington Sportsman 58 shotgun from when a kid (still have it). I musta figger'd that with Thunder Mountain in Estes we had all the fire power we needed! (Just kidding - did not know him then and we still have not met).

But I got Cal about 5 years ago - now living between Tucson and the Mexican border. But also when we hike there is an issue - could be - with bears, mountain lions, etc. Barbara not thrilled with it but will pull it from the pack and hand it to me if needed; she has never fired it which would be something to see; she is a slender lass of 106#.

When I got the CCW they emphasized that shooting is a last resort in any situation. And my retired LE guy reminded me that behind every shot by a citizen is a lawsuit. Pretty much true I think.

I pray to God I never have to use Cal except on the range.