How about a Forum for all the California Haters?

I just read the post about RV friendly cities and states. Such venom from East of the Mississippi and folks that can't even spell California. For awhile the California bashing was so bad that the Mods were closing posts bashing California. Now it seems that the haters are given free rein to disparage at will.

I really never heard a good word about Kansas, Kansas was for no particular reason the 49th state we visited and we were blown away. My wife and I were raised in the Basin and we really don't have a horizon. Buildings to the West with coastal hills, mountains the other 3/4 of the perimeter. Kansas has a 360 degree horizon and it is spectacular. I could spend a year photographing farms during the different seasons.

I was raised in the Los Angeles Basin, born in 1940 in Hollywood, I was a pre teen before I ever visited any other state. I did live in Hawaii, and thank you for paying for it(stationed at the Submarine Base in Pearl Harbor) I summered in Florence Or when there wasn't a stop sign in town. We have owned property there and foolishly sold it but our family is here, my families history goes back to a time Pomona didn't even have a reliable water works, when my Dad's brother and sisters were born at home. I am discouraged by liberal tilt California has taken and sometimes the traffic drives me nuts but over the years we have met and become friends from all over the world, to a person, they are all impressed with California.

A Kiwi sitting along the river in Yosemite at 10,000 feet in shorts and a T shirt in wonder, he would never try that in NZ. The fantastic weather in the Santa Inez Valley really thrilled a friend who interned at a horse breeding farm there. She was able to visit other ranches and folks freely taught her about breed horses and training them.

I'm not fond of Texas, but it does have it's great points. Palo Duro for one is so spectacular. The Gulf Coast is remarkable. I cannot and I never would speak unkindly of the unending vastness of the cattle ranching area, and it's a little repetitive after 4 or 5 hours of driving.

I find myself torn between wishing those of you who are vocal about hating California being able to enjoy the wonders and beauty of our state and wishing you would stay home and just shut up. But I am without doubt sick and tired of you posting your hate in such valuable forums as this. I would just like to have your posts sent off to your own little place to hate us and not have to wade through your tirades.

I am sure this post will be poofed and that's okay, at least I got to get it off my chest.

Seeking Advice

Fizz
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
I'm just waiting to see what the final tally will be after the first 100 days.
TwinTurbo
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
NYCgrrl wrote:
TwinTurbo wrote:

We aren't obtaining the same info. Switzerland is dealing with a massive **** crisis and the gov protects the criminals to the detriment of the citizens, all the while denying and covering up reality. Not a good exampple IMO.

Edit: forum is censoring the word used to describe forced sexual contact.

Errrrrr...have you been talking to my mother?
She keeps telling me I lived in Sweden not Switzerland. Since I'm a self avowed rude obnoxious child from a long line of same, I mutter under my breath that it was actually Swaziland...:B

I suspect you actually mean Sweden which is having homogenization and once again Neo-Nazi issues. Yes they are internal problems but doesn't invalidate the well working economic and political model. I'm not hearing of sustained problems in CH of this nature outside of some UK tabloids.
Oh and I don't read the NYC tabloids because well I recall the dictionaries' definition of the word. Ipso facto I don't accept much of foreign tabloids offerings either unless confirmed by better sourced media.

My apologies. A bit under the weather and meds have made me groggy.

The information is out there, from current residents no less. Not tabloids or questionable sources.

Regardless, those countries do not have our history of liberty, and they exist on a much smaller scale. Not really apples to apples IMO. And there are many other exampmes of failed and/or troubled socialist countries.

Some people enjoy true freedom and accept the rewards and accountability it brings, and others just want to feel secure and taken care of. I don't think they will ever understand each other. For the moment, we can at least choose to live our preference for the most part. That's why so many are against visiting certain states.
jplante4
Explorer II
Mar 24, 2017
p220sigman wrote:
Just trying to get in before the close.

I think the mods slept late today.
NYCgrrl
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
TwinTurbo wrote:

We aren't obtaining the same info. Switzerland is dealing with a massive **** crisis and the gov protects the criminals to the detriment of the citizens, all the while denying and covering up reality. Not a good exampple IMO.

Edit: forum is censoring the word used to describe forced sexual contact.

Errrrrr...have you been talking to my mother?
She keeps telling me I lived in Sweden not Switzerland. Since I'm a self avowed rude obnoxious child from a long line of same, I mutter under my breath that it was actually Swaziland...:B

I suspect you actually mean Sweden which is having homogenization and once again Neo-Nazi issues. Yes they are internal problems but doesn't invalidate the well working economic and political model. I'm not hearing of sustained problems in CH of this nature outside of some UK tabloids.
Oh and I don't read the NYC tabloids because well I recall the dictionaries' definition of the word. Ipso facto I don't accept much of foreign tabloids offerings either unless confirmed by better sourced media.
RedRocket204
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
lbrjet wrote:
Different way of thinking from where I grew up in the Midwest.

I wouldn't say it is the mindset of a Midwest Society that prompted you to only consider turning it in. The true credit there goes to those who guided you while growing up. Meaning, your parents and other influential role models deserve the credit for who you are and why you did what you did.

I was born and raised in CA and would absolutely have done identical to what you did.

Point is there are many selfish and stupid people in this world regardless of where you are at. Those people need to realize they live in a society with others and should respect one another. Something that seems to be greatly lost, especially lately.
lbrjet
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
I visited California (first time ever) for two months last summer. Highly over rated in my opinion and don't plan on ever going back. Many roads in need of major repair and everything is too expensive. I certainly appeciated the Bristlecone Pines, the Sequoias and Redwoods, Yosemite Valley and Tioga Pass, Lava Tubes NM, Death Valley and Mono Lake. I found a wallet stuffed full of cash and cards at Yosemite and the Rangers were shocked that I turned it in to them. They were even more shocked when I declined to give my information to pass along to the owner of the wallet for a possible reward. Different way of thinking from where I grew up in the Midwest.
p220sigman
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
I don't think I hate any state, but there are definitely some I would never choose to live in. All of this rancor is certainly entertaining. I mean, it isn't like someone say Ford is better than Chevy or fighting words like that or something.

Just trying to get in before the close.
jplante4
Explorer II
Mar 24, 2017
DutchmenSport wrote:
You know, just to throw some my own spice into the pot! I don't believe anyone on this thread. You're all wrong! (how's that)!!! Well, now that I'm on the thread to... that means I'm wrong too! Does that mean, because I'm wrong, you are all now all right? or are we all wrong about being wrong, or being right? Right OR wrong this is one heck of a topic discussion!

I thought I made a mistake once, but I was wrong.
DutchmenSport
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
You know, just to throw some my own spice into the pot! I don't believe anyone on this thread. You're all wrong! (how's that)!!! Well, now that I'm on the thread to... that means I'm wrong too! Does that mean, because I'm wrong, you are all now all right? or are we all wrong about being wrong, or being right? Right OR wrong this is one heck of a topic discussion!
TwinTurbo
Explorer
Mar 24, 2017
NYCgrrl wrote:
TwinTurbo wrote:
NJRVer wrote:
TwinTurbo wrote:
California is geologically beautiful. However, it is a nanny state, and those that value freedom cannot easily accept its laws and ideologies.

And LOL at "I'll take socialist, thank you." How very sad. Thankfully, you have many socialist paradises to enjoy, such as Venezuela.

So you would choose a "Jackboot" gov't.
That truly is sad.

I choose freedom. I don't expect you to understand.

Furthermore, Socialist government is the epitome of jackboot gov. Take a look at Venezuela, where they recently began arresting bakers for using flower in ways unapproved by the government. Go ahead, I'll wait.

Venezuela, is obviously not a well run Socialist nation and Chavez can be blamed for setting up a basically one export economic model (oil.

On the other hand.....most of the Scandinavian and BENELUX countries, and maybe Switzerland can wave their Socialist policies proudly and with much satisfaction as it relates to childcare, work force productivity, education levels, and yes, cradle to grave aka human rights.

I suspect most of the residents of these countries consider themselves free w/ little to no fears of "jackboots" in a domestic manner.
Life is truly what you make of it.

We aren't obtaining the same info. Switzerland is dealing with a massive **** crisis and the gov protects the criminals to the detriment of the citizens, all the while denying and covering up reality. Not a good exampple IMO.

NJRVer wanted to take a shot at people from "uneducated toothless methead hater" states. Let that person fight their own battle and support their position.

Edit: forum is censoring the word used to describe forced sexual contact.