Interesting Article on RVers & RV Parks

down home wrote:

Dog Folks wrote:

NYCgrrl wrote:

Water conservation: A standard RV uses only 27 gallons of water/day, whereas a household consumes 150 gallon/day.

Wonder how the study's analysts figured out the water consumption figures? Last I heard avg. daily water consumption was about 65 gals per person. Maybe they just took the average RV's water tank capacity and extrapolated a figure which may or may not take into account use of water outside the RV.

I can state from real world use. Our 65 gallon water tank will last three adults, three days.

Weeeel, I've tried the Navy Shower. Cold as Ice or scalding. Valve when closed never comes aback to where it was.
cold shower just ain't right, at our age. :) We have 100 gallon tank but it does last us two to four days, unless wife shampoos hair. :)

My Travel Trailer shower has a little on/off switch on the shower head. I don't have to re-adjust the main valves during a shower. The switch on the shower head doesn't completely stop water flow but, gets it down to a trickle.

Dustytuu wrote:
RV's do not use more water than a stick and bricks house! NYCgrrl do you measure all the water you use in your house or apartment?
RV's are better for the environment. Do you know how much of a carbon foot print is made by air travel?
A lot!

Well yes...sorta, LOL.
Keeping up to date on natural resource management is part of my job.

Most residences in NYC are metered for water use so it's easy to get a grasp on the actual cost of water and sewage as well as consumption.

I didn't question the lower use of RV water consumption vs stick and brick. I questioned the study figures quoted for both.

Also stated no particular thought re: carbon foot-printing but since you brought it up wonder what you are basing your supposition on. I'm always content learning something new.

RobertRyan wrote:

Francesca we have had Europeans in their Motorhomes turning up here.Yes they travel in the smallish area of Europe, but do go a lot further as well in their basically Class C Motorhomes.

:S
We all know that, Robert- but the far-flung meanderings of Europeans is in no way related to either the post you responded to or the topic of this thread's discussion!

Didja just wake up down there "down under" or what??? :B

Francesca Knowles wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Not quite.Europeans do travel well beyond "normal Europe" Russia, Africa and North America being destinations.

I'm unsure what you're "not quite"-ing about Robert, but FYI:

The references to European travel by both Rfryer and me were as relates to the study conducted thereof by the German research center Öko Institut. The area identified as studied is given as "within Europe".

Francesca we have had Europeans in their Motorhomes turning up here.Yes they travel in the smallish area of Europe, but do go a lot further as well in their basically Class C Motorhomes.

RV's do not use more water than a stick and bricks house! NYCgrrl do you measure all the water you use in your house or apartment?
RV's are better for the environment. Do you know how much of a carbon foot print is made by air travel?
A lot!

RobertRyan wrote:

Not quite.Europeans do travel well beyond "normal Europe" Russia, Africa and North America being destinations.

I'm unsure what you're "not quite"-ing about Robert, but FYI:

The references to European travel by both Rfryer and me were as relates to the study conducted thereof by the German research center Öko Institut. The area identified as studied is given as "within Europe".

rfryer wrote:
Her study is directed toward RV Parks and it was an interesting read. I’m not sure she has any real personal in-depth knowledge of RVing though since she thinks boondocking includes parking lots and, as Francesca pointed out, she only made three trips to augment the European data. I know very little about RVing in Europe other than it’s a lot smaller than the States.

My DW’s BIL works for a Belgian company that works on radioactive hospital equipment. He covers a large area out west and they wanted to save some bucks by dropping a tech and expanding his area. He complained they had no idea what they were asking for and I suggested he overlay a map of Europe with a similar scale US one and send it to them. As I recall, a coast to coast trip here went from Lisbon to Moscow there. I’m sure that wasn’t the only factor in their decision, but they discarded that idea.

Not quite.Europeans do travel well beyond "normal Europe" Russia, Africa and North America being destinations.
As far as the size of the industry: 145,000 vehicles were produced in 2012. More than 50% were Motorhomes.

Well being on permanent vacation (Retired with pension) I do the math a bit differently

Value of Sticks and Bricks at time of retirement.. Masked I will call it $N
Value of RV new with sticker in window... $N.. Yes, the very same amount, So that's a wash (I no longer have the S&B)

Taxes on the S&B Over 3,000 a year and growing
Taxes on the MH 382
Utilities for the S&B around 250 average, perhaps more.
Utilities for the MH,, I buy, usually, about 180/year of Propane (15/month) plus Most summers I pay 95/month for parking, and most winters about 210/month, This year is a bit more expensive.

Parking includes Electric and Wi-Fi most of the time

Telephone.. Cell, with internet, cheaper than wireline.

TV: Over the air, same as at the house.

So long as I do not absolutely positively have to be there yesterday (in which case you dial up TARDIS travels, and if you do not get the joke, I'm sorry) I really like travel by RV, once I got over "IT IS BIG" it's a really nice ride.

Dog Folks wrote:

NYCgrrl wrote:

Water conservation: A standard RV uses only 27 gallons of water/day, whereas a household consumes 150 gallon/day.

Wonder how the study's analysts figured out the water consumption figures? Last I heard avg. daily water consumption was about 65 gals per person. Maybe they just took the average RV's water tank capacity and extrapolated a figure which may or may not take into account use of water outside the RV.

I can state from real world use. Our 65 gallon water tank will last three adults, three days.

Weeeel, I've tried the Navy Shower. Cold as Ice or scalding. Valve when closed never comes aback to where it was.
cold shower just ain't right, at our age. :) We have 100 gallon tank but it does last us two to four days, unless wife shampoos hair. :)

Her study is directed toward RV Parks and it was an interesting read. I’m not sure she has any real personal in-depth knowledge of RVing though since she thinks boondocking includes parking lots and, as Francesca pointed out, she only made three trips to augment the European data. I know very little about RVing in Europe other than it’s a lot smaller than the States.

My DW’s BIL works for a Belgian company that works on radioactive hospital equipment. He covers a large area out west and they wanted to save some bucks by dropping a tech and expanding his area. He complained they had no idea what they were asking for and I suggested he overlay a map of Europe with a similar scale US one and send it to them. As I recall, a coast to coast trip here went from Lisbon to Moscow there. I’m sure that wasn’t the only factor in their decision, but they discarded that idea.