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bowler1
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Sep 21, 2018

Max Payload vs. Pin Weight (Ford, Ram, Chevy)

Hi,
I recently bought a new 5th wheel and truck to tow it. I got a 40 foot Open Range with a 2500 pound pin weight.

I was looking at fairly loaded SRW long bed diesels from Ford, Chevy and Ram. I ended up getting the Ram due to the much higher payload. The Fords and Chevys that I was looking at had max payloads (from the door sticker) around 3400 pounds, while the similarly equipped Ram had a pay load of 4200 pounds. My thought was that with the camper and truck fully loaded I would be pushing up against the max payload of the Chevy and Ford (even though I liked them a bit better).

So my setup now, even when fully loaded, will provide me close to 1000 pounds of margin I would guess. Theoretically should my truck do a better job of towing my trailer given that I am significantly below the max payload vs the Chevy or Ford that would be right up near their max? I would guess that would be the case from a logical perspective.

My other question is what would make there be such a big difference in payload between the Ford/Chevy and the Ram? For similarly equipped models (and all long bed, quad cab diesels with automatic transmissions) the difference is about 800 pounds. That is not a small difference. What would be so drastically different with the Ram to justify such a higher rating? Is there something inherint in their design (solid front axel for instance) that makes it more capable of hauling more weight? I assume that the three trucks are all rated against the same standards.


Thanks
Matt

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  • 4x4ord's avatar
    4x4ord
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    Nov 24, 2018
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    It's possible that stiffer suspension than what is needed makes your truck less safe than having a little softer tuned springs. I remember driving down a wash board road with my father's 1 ton. The truck bounced all over the road. I could hardly believe how horrible it handled. Immediately afterwards I drove the same stretch of road at the same speed with my 3/4 ton and it was a relaxing drive.
  • rhagfo's avatar
    rhagfo
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    Nov 24, 2018
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    Grit dog wrote:
    chiefcamper wrote:
    Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

    I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

    Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


    Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
    Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
    What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
    Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
    Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
    Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
    Again, nice truck, but it's only "safer" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.


    X2
    until you step up to a DRW, there is no real difference between 2500/250 and 3500/350 SRW.
  • MikeRP's avatar
    MikeRP
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    Nov 24, 2018
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    Does anyone know if the brakes and rear axle is the same on a Ram 3500 HD SRW as it is on a Ram 3500 duelie. I understand the rear axle would be longer on the duelie but I’m wondering if everything else is the same?

    I still believe that SRW trucks made today from the big three are all very capable trucks and like you said about the 2500 difference the OP had before, there are methods to make a 3500 SRW more capable i.e. ride rite airbags and Rickson’s 19.5 inch rims and tires.

    There are 19.5 inch tires that are virtually the same outside diameter as the standard Ram18 inch tires.

    One thing that I experienced on my Class C was when those ride rotes are inflated to about 75 psi - it would noticeably improve handling and helped load the front axle.

    Good luck to the OP - pay attention to your RAWR and tire ratings and you will be fine.
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
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    Nov 11, 2018
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    chiefcamper wrote:
    Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

    I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

    Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


    Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
    Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
    What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
    Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
    Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
    Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
    Again, nice truck, but it's only "safer" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.
  • 4x4ord's avatar
    4x4ord
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    Nov 10, 2018
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    If you've already bought the truck you're better off to just forget it and be happy. We just hauled a load on an old (2004) Ram 3500 SRW diesel that overloaded the rear axle and tire rating by about 1000 lbs. The truck handled the load beautifully. I don't advocate that anyone should buy a truck that is rated to tow less than what they intend to use if for but on the other hand there is safety margin built into load ratings. If my truck is rated to handle a 3400 lb pin and I hook it up to a trailer that puts about 3500 lbs on the pin it is going to handle it beautiful. Another brand truck rated to handle 4200 lbs may handle my trailer better or it may handle it worse. Having excess rating doesn't mean much.
  • Cummins12V98's avatar
    Cummins12V98
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    Nov 09, 2018
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    The RV does NOT stop gaining weight at the magical GVWR!!!

    No the axles are not forward unless they are a triple axle.
  • chiefcamper's avatar
    chiefcamper
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    Nov 09, 2018
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    Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

    I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

    Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!
  • Grit_dog's avatar
    Grit_dog
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    Nov 09, 2018
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    Bowler, no it doesn’t make a significant difference between brands. Anyone who says one of the big 3 trucks is significantly more capable than the others, apples to apples, is full of it. Period.
    Same goes for the “weight watchers “ who add up every item including the box of milk bones for the dog. You’re honestly not going to notice 1000lbs of trailer or cargo unless it’s all pin weight or all tail weight.
    Remember everything designed in our litigious society is designed to accommodate or protect the lowest common denominator person that could get their hands on it.
    If that’s not you, then you have some factor of safety, called a brain!
  • mich800's avatar
    mich800
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    Nov 09, 2018
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    "Yes, I am asking if the extra margin I have between my loaded pin weight and the payload capacity will help the truck to tow better than if I had a Ford/Chevy where the loaded pin weight was close to but still below the max capacity (within 200 pounds)."

    No

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I recently bought a new 5th wheel and truck to tow it. I got a 40 foot Open Range with a 2500 pound pin weight.

I was looking at fairly loaded SRW long bed diesels from Ford, Chevy and Ram. I ended up getting the Ram due to the much higher payload. The Fords and Chevys that I was looking at had max payloads (from the door sticker) around 3400 pounds, while the similarly equipped Ram had a pay load of 4200 pounds. My thought was that with the camper and truck fully loaded I would be pushing up against the max payload of the Chevy and Ford (even though I liked them a bit better).

So my setup now, even when fully loaded, will provide me close to 1000 pounds of margin I would guess. Theoretically should my truck do a better job of towing my trailer given that I am significantly below the max payload vs the Chevy or Ford that would be right up near their max? I would guess that would be the case from a logical perspective.

My other question is what would make there be such a big difference in payload between the Ford/Chevy and the Ram? For similarly equipped models (and all long bed, quad cab diesels with automatic transmissions) the difference is about 800 pounds. That is not a small difference. What would be so drastically different with the Ram to justify such a higher rating? Is there something inherint in their design (solid front axel for instance) that makes it more capable of hauling more weight? I assume that the three trucks are all rated against the same standards.


Thanks
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I recently bought a new 5th wheel and truck to tow it. I got a 40 foot Open Range with a 2500 pound pin weight.

I was looking at fairly loaded SRW long bed diesels from Ford, Chevy and Ram. I ended up getting the Ram due to the much higher payload. The Fords and Chevys that I was looking at had max payloads (from the door sticker) around 3400 pounds, while the similarly equipped Ram had a pay load of 4200 pounds. My thought was that with the camper and truck fully loaded I would be pushing up against the max payload of the Chevy and Ford (even though I liked them a bit better).

So my setup now, even when fully loaded, will provide me close to 1000 pounds of margin I would guess. Theoretically should my truck do a better job of towing my trailer given that I am significantly below the max payload vs the Chevy or Ford that would be right up near their max? I would guess that would be the case from a logical perspective.

My other question is what would make there be such a big difference in payload between the Ford/Chevy and the Ram? For similarly equipped models (and all long bed, quad cab diesels with automatic transmissions) the difference is about 800 pounds. That is not a small difference. What would be so drastically different with the Ram to justify such a higher rating? Is there something inherint in their design (solid front axel for instance) that makes it more capable of hauling more weight? I assume that the three trucks are all rated against the same standards.


Thanks
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I remember driving down a wash board road with my father's 1 ton. The truck bounced all over the road. I could hardly believe how horrible it handled. 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Grit dog wrote:
chiefcamper wrote:
Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
Again, nice truck, but it's only \"safer\" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.


X2
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Grit dog wrote:
chiefcamper wrote:
Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
Again, nice truck, but it's only \"safer\" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.


X2
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I still believe that SRW trucks made today from the big three are all very capable trucks and like you said about the 2500 difference the OP had before, there are methods to make a 3500 SRW more capable i.e. ride rite airbags and Rickson’s 19.5 inch rims and tires.

There are 19.5 inch tires that are virtually the same outside diameter as the standard Ram18 inch tires.

One thing that I experienced on my Class C was when those ride rotes are inflated to about 75 psi - it would noticeably improve handling and helped load the front axle.

Good luck to the OP - pay attention to your RAWR and tire ratings and you will be fine.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-11-24T03:23:41.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-11-24T03:23:41.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1280},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3083427/message:3083460","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"887","rawBody":"Does anyone know if the brakes and rear axle is the same on a Ram 3500 HD SRW as it is on a Ram 3500 duelie. I understand the rear axle would be longer on the duelie but I’m wondering if everything else is the same?

I still believe that SRW trucks made today from the big three are all very capable trucks and like you said about the 2500 difference the OP had before, there are methods to make a 3500 SRW more capable i.e. ride rite airbags and Rickson’s 19.5 inch rims and tires.

There are 19.5 inch tires that are virtually the same outside diameter as the standard Ram18 inch tires.

One thing that I experienced on my Class C was when those ride rotes are inflated to about 75 psi - it would noticeably improve handling and helped load the front axle.

Good luck to the OP - pay attention to your RAWR and tire ratings and you will be fine.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":1,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3083460_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"Rank:rank:36":{"__typename":"Rank","id":"rank:36","position":23,"name":"Navigator","color":"333333","icon":null,"rankStyle":"TEXT"},"User:user:227630":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:227630","uid":227630,"login":"Grit_dog","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2013-05-06T12:40:47.000-07:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:36"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:227630"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3083459":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3083459","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3083459":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:227630"},"id":"message:3083459","revisionNum":1,"uid":3083459,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3083427"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3083427"},"subject":"Re: Max Payload vs. Pin Weight (Ford, Ram, Chevy)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3083459"},"body":"
chiefcamper wrote:
Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
Again, nice truck, but it's only \"safer\" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-11-10T19:55:26.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-11-10T19:55:26.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1274},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3083427/message:3083459","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"2041","rawBody":"
chiefcamper wrote:
Just traded in a 2015 Chevy 2500HD which was overloaded carrying our 40' 5th Wheel but it did not break, we only towed it a few times before buying the new truck. The new truck is a 2018 Ram 3500HD with a 6.4L Hemi. Yellow sticker payload of 4323lbs, 7000lb rear axle.

I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

Any way you look at it far safer than the 2500HD which was a great truck!


Nice story. And your parting line is one that car salesmen LOVE to hear!
Now I'm gonna blow your mind. New Ram=nice truck. 2015 Chevy = nice truck.
What to YOU makes the Ram far safer than the Chevy you traded?
Your Chevy was/is identical to a 3500HD, save for stiffer rear springs.
Your Ram 3500 would be identical to a Ram 2500 except Ram changed the rear suspension 5 years ago to coils. Other wise same truck. For both brands, same frame, same power train, same brakes, Same tires and wheels, same axles. Actually the rear axle in your new ram is the same as the one in your Chevy.
Point being, the new truck is not inherently safer AT ALL than your old one with one exception. The rear suspension is stiffer, which can be accomplished for $200-500 with any number of easy, proven, bolt on suspension products.
Again, nice truck, but it's only \"safer\" in your mind....which is the most important part I suppose since you're the one driving it.","images":{"__typename":"AssociatedImageConnection","edges":[],"totalCount":0,"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"timeToRead":2,"currentRevision":{"__ref":"Revision:revision:3083459_1"},"latestVersion":null,"messagePolicies":{"__typename":"MessagePolicies","canModerateSpamMessage":{"__typename":"PolicyResult","failureReason":{"__typename":"FailureReason","message":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","key":"error.lithium.policies.feature.moderation_spam.action.moderate_entity.allowed.accessDenied","args":[]}}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:3083458":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:3083458","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:3083458":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:134247"},"id":"message:3083458","revisionNum":1,"uid":3083458,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:RVTipsTricks"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:3083427"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:3083427"},"subject":"Re: Max Payload vs. Pin Weight (Ford, Ram, Chevy)","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:3083458"},"body":"If you've already bought the truck you're better off to just forget it and be happy. We just hauled a load on an old (2004) Ram 3500 SRW diesel that overloaded the rear axle and tire rating by about 1000 lbs. The truck handled the load beautifully. I don't advocate that anyone should buy a truck that is rated to tow less than what they intend to use if for but on the other hand there is safety margin built into load ratings. If my truck is rated to handle a 3400 lb pin and I hook it up to a trailer that puts about 3500 lbs on the pin it is going to handle it beautiful. Another brand truck rated to handle 4200 lbs may handle my trailer better or it may handle it worse. 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We just hauled a load on an old (2004) Ram 3500 SRW diesel that overloaded the rear axle and tire rating by about 1000 lbs. The truck handled the load beautifully. I don't advocate that anyone should buy a truck that is rated to tow less than what they intend to use if for but on the other hand there is safety margin built into load ratings. If my truck is rated to handle a 3400 lb pin and I hook it up to a trailer that puts about 3500 lbs on the pin it is going to handle it beautiful. Another brand truck rated to handle 4200 lbs may handle my trailer better or it may handle it worse. 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I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

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I am not sure claims of a 4000lb pin weight are always true with today's 5th wheels where the trailer wheels are now more forward. My unloaded mfg weights are 11575lbs (yellow sticker) with a max of 13,980lbs loaded. The unloaded pin weight is 1980lbs. So real world if I load the trailer with 2000lbs that would equal 13,575, 2000lbs seems like a lot to me but I am sure it is possible! Figuring a 25% pin weight would be @3400lbs. So an additional 900lb cushion for people, tools, hitch etc. seems plenty and I would still be under the axle and tire ratings. 25% seems high but for arguments sake I went high. YMMV :)

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Same goes for the “weight watchers “ who add up every item including the box of milk bones for the dog. You’re honestly not going to notice 1000lbs of trailer or cargo unless it’s all pin weight or all tail weight.
Remember everything designed in our litigious society is designed to accommodate or protect the lowest common denominator person that could get their hands on it.
If that’s not you, then you have some factor of safety, called a brain!","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2018-11-09T08:59:36.000-08:00","lastPublishTime":"2018-11-09T08:59:36.000-08:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":1279},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"category:RVTalk/community:feyqc97479board:RVTipsTricks/message:3083427/message:3083455","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"readOnly":false,"editFrozen":false,"body@stringLength":"663","rawBody":"Bowler, no it doesn’t make a significant difference between brands. Anyone who says one of the big 3 trucks is significantly more capable than the others, apples to apples, is full of it. Period.
Same goes for the “weight watchers “ who add up every item including the box of milk bones for the dog. You’re honestly not going to notice 1000lbs of trailer or cargo unless it’s all pin weight or all tail weight.
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