Walmart changing some stores

Seriously derailed thread.

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JaxDad wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Unfortunately, those guys with their dogs are not capable of obtaining and keeping a regular job. Do you really think if they were of sound mind they would choose begging in the rain, cold and heat, subjected to ridicule and general disdain by the public? b .

YES I do. and your feeding the bottom feeders encourages them.
bumpy

A group (university?) did a study a number of years back, they determined that the average panhandler was making $60k a year, and of course they declare ALL of that cash on their tax return......

There was a story in the news about a guy mooching at a Wally World in Portland who admitted to the reporter when confronted that he was making $100+k / year.

I’m not sure any of that qualifies as ‘bottom feeders’ at all.

So you wouldn't believe the guy if he says he can't hold down a job, but you believe him when he tells a newsperson he makes $100,000 per year. Riiiiight.

Our walmart is now allowing RVs if that's what you call them.
Not even sure how some of them made it to the parking lot.
Why bother in AZ anyway? Just join the 1000s of other parking for free on BLM land around the city.

As far as the beggars they can pound sand.
Especially the ones with the pets. Absolutely no reason to have a pet if you're begging for money.
I've even had friends give them food and they just threw it on the ground. I can even dig up similar threads to prove it.
The next time you get off the exit ramp and you see someone standing there just look behind them and the trash they leave.
There's plenty of help out there for them but they chose to be beggars.
No way am I going to feed their problem but i will feed the dog.

JaxDad wrote:

Bumpyroad wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Unfortunately, those guys with their dogs are not capable of obtaining and keeping a regular job. Do you really think if they were of sound mind they would choose begging in the rain, cold and heat, subjected to ridicule and general disdain by the public? b .

YES I do. and your feeding the bottom feeders encourages them.
bumpy

A group (university?) did a study a number of years back, they determined that the average panhandler was making $60k a year, and of course they declare ALL of that cash on their tax return......

There was a story in the news about a guy mooching at a Wally World in Portland who admitted to the reporter when confronted that he was making $100+k / year.

I’m not sure any of that qualifies as ‘bottom feeders’ at all.

Go to Snopes.com and look up panhandling. Their research indicated that the average panhandler takes in no where close to the amounts you are quoting. They found studies that claimed the average panhandler made $25 to $50 a day. Studies that stated the average panhandler made an average of $300 per month and claimed an additional $350 a month in government benefits, so they were living on less than $700 a month. Studies further indicated that panhandlers spend their monies on food, alcohol and drugs. No mention of upkeep for their Rolls Royces. And with incomes like that, I doubt evading taxes are high on their reasons for choosing begging over legit employment.

JaxDad wrote:


A group (university?) did a study a number of years back, they determined that the average panhandler was making $60k a year, and of course they declare ALL of that cash on their tax return......

There was a story in the news about a guy mooching at a Wally World in Portland who admitted to the reporter when confronted that he was making $100+k / year.

I’m not sure any of that qualifies as ‘bottom feeders’ at all.

they are exactly what I would consider to be the carp of this world.
bumpy

Bumpyroad wrote:

westernrvparkowner wrote:
Unfortunately, those guys with their dogs are not capable of obtaining and keeping a regular job. Do you really think if they were of sound mind they would choose begging in the rain, cold and heat, subjected to ridicule and general disdain by the public? b .

YES I do. and your feeding the bottom feeders encourages them.
bumpy

A group (university?) did a study a number of years back, they determined that the average panhandler was making $60k a year, and of course they declare ALL of that cash on their tax return......

There was a story in the news about a guy mooching at a Wally World in Portland who admitted to the reporter when confronted that he was making $100+k / year.

I’m not sure any of that qualifies as ‘bottom feeders’ at all.

Maybe Walmart should have a policy if you spend so much money with them, then you can stay for 8 hours at no additional charge. After all they had to pay to put in the parking area,light it,pick up litter etc.But for people who say campgrounds are too expensive, there is a book " Free or Inexpensive" Campgrounds. Plus if you're 62 or older,you can get the Senior Pass and pay half price at any Federal Campground.We usually stay at a campground over nite,but have on rare occassions for a few hours. But it's either a rest area or a Flyin J where we get gas and something to eat which helps them pay for the "free" parking.

westernrvparkowner wrote:

Airdaile wrote:
With truckers needing to use rest areas and Walmart town centers going up, it's getting tough to find a place to catch a couple of hours of shut-eye.

Yes, and those greedy RV parks, built exclusively for that purpose, have the unmitigated gall to charge money for the privilege.

It's not the "greedy RV parks" that weighs heaviest against them with us many times. It's trying to find and get to them ... at the last minute instead of something handy for a quick over-night when enroute to someplace else ... that's often against us using "regular RV parks".

The last things we want to do when tired and hungry near the ends of afternoons is to have to park temporarily somewhere to study the smartphone or laptop screen, make phone calls, and then set the navigator unit ... so as to try and locate and get to an RV park with a sometimes closed office ... even if there is one available with vacancies.

Walmarts, Cracker Barrels, Ports-of-Entry, church parking lots, Moose Lodges, and the back lot areas of truck stops - are usually a lot handier to locate at the last minute - even if RV park cost was no object (which it is starting to become).

I always read these threads with interest.

I have to tell you all how right WRVPO really is.

We are not "Campers" in any real sense. I have been, but I was a lot younger and more physicaly flexible.

We use "Free" camp sites like casinos, Walmart, other businesses that are RV friendly and highway rest areas as well. We only frequent commercial campgrounds on the fourth or fifth day when I want to dump and take on potable water. It can also be that DW wants a real shower to for a hair wash. If we need anything else, it will be provisions that are not likely in the campground store.

When I am looking for such a stop, I will accept a "crampground" if it is priced right (cheap). But as I am sure WRVPO will allow, not all RV campgrounds are equal. Just because the owner calls it an "RV Resort" this does not actually indicate that there is any thing "resort" about it. I have found more than a few that were cost effective for just an ONP/FHU. I have also hit treeless crampgrounds at resort prices. I like those as much as I like drycamp for money lots.

Then, I have another issue that will be strange to many of you. Our coach is a 46 year old gasser. I don't need diesel and I sure don't need a "Nothing over 10yo" either. There are more than a few city parks that invite ONP and some have services. We love those.

When looking for an ONP, sometimes I have as much as an hours notice, and sometimes not. That is where Wally Docking shines. We will need something. It is a small coach, so carrying a multiweek store of victuals is just not going to happen, but if the references indicate that there is a friendly Walmart close to our intended track, SCORE!

We will get there, and stop and while one of us de-waters the dogs, the other will go in and ask a manager - If (after shopping) we could stay until morning, where would said prefer that we park. We usually get an OK. In one case we were told to park where the signs said we should not.

We are about to make a run south on I-75. We are going to hold up at the FMCA park in Cinci, a Rest Area near Chattanooga and a Walmart way south of that. When we get to the rally, (that has a starting date) we will be there for a while. When it is over, we will wide our way back north visiting friends and relatives along the way. I have very little plan for that part and that is the way we like it.

If we were going to a place just for the place and planning to stay a while, nice RV parks are nice. We rarely do. We are currently planning a full season. It does include three days in one nice place that is not a rally, just a stop.

If a real park was to try to accommodate travelers like us, it would be difficult. Mostly because they are will not be where we need them. This again is where Lot Docking works well.

Matt

Every day I would go for a lunch hour walk.
On opposite corners were two guys.
One had a hot dog stand, on the other side was a beggar and his dog.
I got to know the vendor who told me the beggar made more in a day than he did. I once saw the beggar buying scratch tickets. Can't be too hungry if he did that.