What does 10 TRILLION gallons of water even equate to?

westend wrote:

I suppose with the way that we RV'ers burn fuels we would be in the abiotic camp. That's not to say that we aren't burning it faster than the earth could produce it.

That is interesting as it presumes that one's use (or a group's use) would determine what particular scientific mechanisms are at work. In the context of the discussion in this thread, that would mean if I am a large generator of CO2, greenhouse gas effect is nil.

Here is one analogy that explains fossil fuel use:

You and I are visitors from another planet. Our form and nutrition requirements are similar to Homo Sapiens. When we land on Earth, you, as the Captain, task me, the procurer, to go out and seek food as we only have a limited supply. I go out and return with solutions for our needs. "Captain, I have found the exact things we need", I report. "We will have snail darters, bald eagles, and spotted owls as our main diet". "Terrific", the Captain replies.

All goes well for awhile but soon everyone realizes that our menu is dwindling and that our choices for food may have not been the best.
The moral of this is "don't put all your eggs in one basket". We will run out of crude oil some day and as that oil gets harder to produce, it's usefulness over other fuels will decline. "never say never".

Oh yes indeed. I'm not saying abiotic oil is going to save us or that it's good to burn it if it is true. I say never say never when believing what some say is scientific gospel. Long before solar panels were common I always thought the sun is right there everyday and we need to utilize it. That was 50 years ago. We have come a long way in a relatively short time. Solar panels are made from silicon but they remind me of dirt in a different way. I used to wrench on heavy trucks and equipment used in landscaping supply businesses. The price of the dirt is cheap, the final price is in the transport of it. Solar Blvd has an 100 watt panel for $80.00 and $30.00 to ship it. Within a couple years it will probably be $50/$35 or $50/$40. Is a 40 % efficient panel going to cost $10.00 and ship for $50? :)

The link that John and Angela posted on the cafe standards thread is interesting. Change is coming, it may not be as quickly for our heavy type of vehicles but it's coming. Just as one car appeared on fifth ave New York among a sea of horses, within 15 years it was a sea of cars and one horse.