When is a WDH neccessary
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Jul-23-2019 05:58 AM
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Jul-25-2019 09:32 AM
With this said.....my TT, 6-7000 on axle 750-900 HW only removed 60-120 max off the FA with these trucks. What I noticed, is more side to side rocking with no bars, less with just a WD system, even LESS with a Reese Dual Cam.
Reality, if your trailer will not pull straight etc without bars, figure out why, fix issue, then install bars.
If your high requires bars at 500 lbs, you don't want to use them, buy and install a hitch with engineer specs to your needs. That's what I do and did to rigs! Their is more than one way to skin a cat per say! 🙂
Marty
2014 Chevy 1500 Dual cab 4x4
92 Red-e-haul 12K equipment trailer
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Jul-25-2019 08:28 AM
With our first rig in ‘94, I fiddled with two different WDH’s before settling on a standard ball mount with no WD for our ‘94 F150 and 21’ overall length TT. It also towed well.
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2010 F250 XLT CC SB 5.4L 5spdTS 3.73
ex '95 Cummins,'98 12v Cummins,'01.5 Cummins,'03 Cummins; '05 Hemi
2017 Jayco 28RLS TT 32.5'
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Jul-25-2019 06:55 AM
The old rule of thumb...WD setup to get an even drop is no longer valid
The modern OEM changes to TV suspensions invalidated that
Why now advise those asking or wondering to setup according to their TV's manual instructions
Some still even drop, other move x percentage weight to the front axle, others get the front drop or raise to within +/- inches/fractions of per setup and a big etc
So if the OP's TV meets their TV manual instructions & reciever spec without a WD Hitch, then the OP can decide whether or not a WD Hitch is needed
Be careful of one size fits all absolutism advice...there isn't any...even in one size fits all tube socks...
Learn the HOW2's yourself...advisors on these freebie sites have no skin, nor anything to lose in YOUR game and the only one responsible is the driver...even if the driver didn't choose components or setup
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Jul-25-2019 06:10 AM
Rover_Bill wrote:BarneyS wrote:
...Given all factors being the same, then putting a weight behind the rear axle of the tow vehicle will always remove weight from the front axle. It doesn't matter how much the front of the truck weighs - the weight will still come off....
Barney
This is true if you DO NOT have a properly setup WDH. A properly setup WDH will ADD weight to the steering axle and remove weight from the drive axle. That what the WDH is designed to do. My WDH added 200# to the steering axle.
I agree with you but I was responding to the statement that I quoted from your previous post on how to tell if you need a WD hitch. You made a blanket statement that was not accurate and which I quoted in my post (the word "if"in your last sentence of that post).
Notice that I said in my last sentence "The owner then needs to decide whether the truck is still within specs or whether WD is needed."
Barney
Hensley "Arrow" 1400# hitch (Sold)
Not towing now.
Former tow vehicles were 2016 Ram 2500 CTD, 2002 Ford F250, 7.3 PSD, 1997 Ram 2500 5.9 gas engine
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Jul-24-2019 10:22 PM
BarneyS wrote:
...Given all factors being the same, then putting a weight behind the rear axle of the tow vehicle will always remove weight from the front axle. It doesn't matter how much the front of the truck weighs - the weight will still come off....
Barney
This is true if you DO NOT have a properly setup WDH. A properly setup WDH will ADD weight to the steering axle and remove weight from the drive axle. That what the WDH is designed to do. My WDH added 200# to the steering axle.
2016 Keystone Passport GT 2670BH
ReCurve R6 hitch, DirecLink brake controller
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Jul-24-2019 06:47 PM
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Jul-24-2019 02:07 PM
To many advantages to a WDH with antisway to not use one, safety being #1.
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Jul-24-2019 06:31 AM
Rover_Bill wrote:
Snip... If attaching the TT REMOVES weight from the TV steering then you need a WDH.
Not quite. It will ALWAYS remove weight from the front axle. How much is determined by several factors but it will always happen. It may not always have the same effect though.
Given all factors being the same, then putting a weight behind the rear axle of the tow vehicle will always remove weight from the front axle. It doesn't matter how much the front of the truck weighs - the weight will still come off. The owner then needs to decide whether the truck is still within specs or whether WD is needed.
Barney
Hensley "Arrow" 1400# hitch (Sold)
Not towing now.
Former tow vehicles were 2016 Ram 2500 CTD, 2002 Ford F250, 7.3 PSD, 1997 Ram 2500 5.9 gas engine
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Jul-23-2019 11:32 PM
If the difference between the two measurements is less than 1/4 inch the you could get by without a WDH. If the difference is between 1/4 to 1/2 inch then you should get a WDH. If it's more the 1/2 inch then you absolutely need a WDH.
The best test is to weigh your TV steering axle with the loaded TT attached and a second weighing with the TT NOT attached. If attaching the TT REMOVES weight from the TV steering then you need a WDH.
2016 Keystone Passport GT 2670BH
ReCurve R6 hitch, DirecLink brake controller
2005 Suzuki C50 2006 Suzuki S40
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Jul-23-2019 12:54 PM
You need to look at the specs of the truck you are considering.
A 4000lb trailer, is that the "dry" weight or the GVWR?
If the GVWR is 4000lbs, you could conceivably have a 600lb tongue weight (15%), which would necessitate the use of a WDH. Trailers in this range are generally single-axle units with high tongue weights to allow the use of a single 3500lb axle.
If the dry weight is 4000lbs, your trailer will probably end up in the 5000-6000lb range loaded and ready to camp, and will most certainly have a tongue weight exceeding 500lbs, again necessitating a WDH.
In both cases, this is assuming a typical F150 type truck or smaller with a typical receiver with a weight carrying limit of 500lbs tongue weight.
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Jul-23-2019 08:26 AM
A: A Stick....
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Jul-23-2019 07:20 AM
Not needed with my new F150 but makes for much better towing, no sway, and levels out the truck.
I think, unless you can get a great deal on the WDH with install from your TT dealer, you should try the new TT on a standard hitch first (assuming within hitch weight specs).
I lost one of my spring bars on a trip from improperly attaching it in a hurry. Found out when setting up camp. Towed home with no spring bars, 70 miles one way mostly on interstates. No probs but sidewinds could be felt at times so I kept the speed at 65mph.
2019 F150 4x4 SCrew SB STX 5.0 3.55 factory tow package, 7000#GVWR, 1990 CC Tow mirrors, ITBC, SumoSprings,
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Jul-23-2019 07:09 AM
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Jul-23-2019 06:23 AM
No need to blind oncoming drivers.
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