Contradictions with EV’s

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It’s common knowledge that EV’s produce LESS CO2, right??…Either way, FINALLY a long overdue dose of cogent objectivity has been allowed to enter the discussion 🙂

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1E8SQde5rk

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LouLawrence wrote:
I love how folks think their EV is pollution free. Everyone in Co. Springs, CO is getting their electricity from a coal fire plant! Yes, that's clean! I love nuclear energy as well (zero emissions) but that creates it's on can of worms on disposal issues. Maybe we could load that nuclear fuel on one of Elon's rockets and send it crashing into the Sun for disposal!

There is the option to put solar on your home and use no net coal electricity. This can be done with or without an EV in your garage.
I doubt you will be the first in your area... what are you waiting for?

I look forward to the day we stop digging for coal and drilling for oil.

[3_tons]

Reported in the Hindu Times -

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/volvo-study-shows-making-evs-leads-to-70-more-emission-compared-to-ice-vehicles-41637402945989.html

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LouLawrence wrote:
I love how folks think their EV is pollution free. Everyone in Co. Springs, CO is getting their electricity from a coal fire plant! Yes, that's clean! I love nuclear energy as well (zero emissions) but that creates it's on can of worms on disposal issues. Maybe we could load that nuclear fuel on one of Elon's rockets and send it crashing into the Sun for disposal!

BINGO!!…However, (not to be a wet blanket), Climate Activism (“THE SKY IS FALLING!!”…) has morphed into a politically charged cottage industry with an insatiable appetite for animating virtue and guilt (except for those sorry third world concerns), so they’d just move the goal post from carbon to argon, rendering their EV’s a moot subject…It’s not that I can’t admire EV’s (I do…) it’s just that I can see through the faux environmental hyped narrative that accompanies…

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pianotuna wrote:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-...

"DETROIT, June 29{2021} (Reuters) - You glide silently out of the Tesla (TSLA.O) showroom in your sleek new electric Model 3, satisfied you're looking great and doing your bit for the planet.

But keep going - you'll have to drive another 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before you're doing less harm to the environment than a gas-guzzling saloon."

Nice try, but do you really believe a $23k Toyota Corolla (3000 lb car with 169 hp) is comparable to a $91k Tesla (4500 lb car with 670 hp)?

Wouldn't a better comparison be a similar priced MBZ S500 (4775 lb car with 496 hp)?

Best analysis is when you have to comparable cars of similar weight, similar trim and are marketed to similar consumers. Hell, why not compare the Mini Cooper to the Tesla, your numbers would be better. Right?

Nah, I'll stick with a comprehensive study by Volvo over a simple article by in a newspaper. Gotta do better!

[pianotuna]

LouLawrence wrote:
I love how folks think their EV is pollution free. Everyone in Co. Springs, CO is getting their electricity from a coal fire plant! Yes, that's clean! I love nuclear energy as well (zero emissions) but that creates it's on can of worms on disposal issues. Maybe we could load that nuclear fuel on one of Elon's rockets and send it crashing into the Sun for disposal!

Even with coal fired, the BEV is less polluting.

[LouLawrence]

I love how folks think their EV is pollution free. Everyone in Co. Springs, CO is getting their electricity from a coal fire plant! Yes, that's clean! I love nuclear energy as well (zero emissions) but that creates it's on can of worms on disposal issues. Maybe we could load that nuclear fuel on one of Elon's rockets and send it crashing into the Sun for disposal!

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pianotuna wrote:
3 tons,

I worry not for myself, but for future generations, including my child.

Trust that I stop short of questioning anyone’s ‘Good intentions’ (me kids too), but from my perspective, I’ve seen how these movies end - thus (in lieu of intermittency…) the need for a more comprehensive ‘lights-ON’ strategy - this results in a true ‘win-win’…

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[3_tons]

One might recall the conspicuous consumption (lol) surrounding the tail-fin wars of the 1950’s…Discussions of ‘net’ carbon produced aside (arguable, requiring ‘real’ data), Musk has made a fortune tapping into vehicle consumer’s physic!!…Musk, indeed a very smart fella 🙂

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[Timmo_]

pianotuna wrote:
3 tons,

I worry not for myself, but for future generations, including my child.

Then why buy into a program that promises more than it can possibly deliver (at some point in the future---but nothing today)...and follow hypocritical elites/leaders that don't walk the talk?

Which climate change elite has a home that is 4 times larger than the average home, but consumes 12 times the electricity? Said differently, whose home consumes 191,000 kwh per year while the rest of us consume on the average a measly 15,500 kwh?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tale-two-houses/

IMO, it ain't about future generations...for the elites, it is all about "me". Do as I say, not as I do.

[pianotuna]

3 tons,

I worry not for myself, but for future generations, including my child.

[3_tons]

I see it as a cadre of folks (shopping for a cause (EV absolution) bigger than themselves??) who’ve been animated by sound bites and furry green motifs…Why??…To somehow fall prey to a contagion (proselytized by a few capable of producing nothing!) that intermittent power sources (windmills and solar) have the ability to power America merely adds weight to Darwin’s (R.I.P.) extinction theory…Count me out - lol….Meanwhile, the luxury of time is frittered away at finding sincere RATIONAL and Workable solutions!!…

Sorry, but if I sought comforts of the third world (as some here champion…) I’d simply move there and be over it…I’m happy to entertain such intermittent power follies, but ONLY as part of a larger, comprehensive energy strategy that’ll ensure that the lights stay on, and America’s clean industrial endeavors (manufacturing and jobs!) are preserved - note that these rational and ‘more virtue-laded’ concerns are merely (shamefully) swept-aside with glee (ain’t EV life SWEET!! - lol) with the deafening non-comprehension of CRICKETS…

Until the ‘no seeking solutions’ Green adolescents decide to sober up and address these facts HEAD ON with a mature dialogue, I’ll enjoy the far more down to earth and environmentally-centric wisdom of George Carlin!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4

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[pianotuna]

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/when-do-electric-vehicles-become-cleaner-than-...

"DETROIT, June 29{2021} (Reuters) - You glide silently out of the Tesla (TSLA.O) showroom in your sleek new electric Model 3, satisfied you're looking great and doing your bit for the planet.

But keep going - you'll have to drive another 13,500 miles (21,725 km) before you're doing less harm to the environment than a gas-guzzling saloon."

[Timmo_]

pianotuna wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:
Of course, yo,u are wildly below typical usage (ie: no one is marketing based on your mileage). Average is around 12-15k miles per year.

That's good news. It means that in slightly more than 15 months a BEV reaches parity in co2 emissions--and from then on is less carbon intensive than an ice.

I do drive my RV (other than the last 2 years) far more than my car. I wish I could get a BEV RV, but sadly such an item is beyond my beer budget.

Hate to be a party pooper, but what BEV has carbon parity to a comparable ICE vehicle at around 20k miles?

Here is Volvo's data for their XC40--on a global mixed grid (which is what USA has) it will take much more than 15 months. At 12k miles/year, carbon parity on the XC40 will be achieved in 7.5 years--just about 2.5 years before the battery pack's end of useful life (10 years).

BTW, 146,000 km = 90,720 miles



Read the comprehensive report here--
https://group.volvocars.com/news/sustainability/2020/~/media/ccs/Volvo_carbonfootprintreport.pdf

LOL, when has a car salesmen ever told the truth?

[pianotuna]

valhalla360 wrote:
Of course, you are wildly below typical usage (ie: no one is marketing based on your mileage). Average is around 12-15k miles per year.

That's good news. It means that in slightly more than 15 months a BEV reaches parity in co2 emissions--and from then on is less carbon intensive than an ice.

I do drive my RV (other than the last 2 years) far more than my car. I wish I could get a BEV RV, but sadly such an item is beyond my beer budget.

[pianotuna]

My brother lives in the far north (Iqaluit). His price for electricity is 58.56 per kwh. He has wisely installed solar panels.

The United Kingdom has some days in the last year had 100% of their electrical demand produced by wind power. They sell the excess.