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- I am getting suspicious and hopeful that the F200 will be what has been sold as the max payload version of the F150. Hopefully upgraded to 8 lug wheels and 8,800lbs GVWR. I have no data to base that on but it just makes sense to me. With the least GVWR of the F250 being 10,000lbs this could bridge the gap between the F150 and F250, as the name implies.
The max payload F150 does already have a significantly sturdier frame than the regular model does so I don't think that boosting it up to 8,800lbs would be much of stretch. MNRon wrote:
No one ever mandated that you could no longer buy a horse for basic transportation and had to use a car instead. Horses were put out to pasture by the public’s acceptance of the automobiles as a more viable alternative.. Conversely, officials are mandating that you can no longer buy ice cars for basic transportation, and are making EV’s the only viable alternative.
Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping
Point being - it's a false equivalence, horses were never outlawed and ice vehicles foisted on them instead.MNRon wrote:
Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping
I agree! There is just too much division on this EV topic for it to even show up on a rv forum where most are using gas/diesel to enjoy their camping adventures. Until it's an actual viable option, I don't see the point in the discussion.- Lots of people complaining about automobiles being foisted on the poor horse owners and putting blacksmiths out of business here. I think TurnThePage’s post was dead on. Maybe it’s time to put the politics away on this forum and get back to camping
ford truck guy wrote:
I will say this.... I left my career of 40+ years for several reasons, non of which have to do with camping... I started a non stress job working for a friend that owns a chain of Auto dealerships.. 2 Mazda, 2 Subaru, and 7 Ford...
I am a driver and move vehicles form dealership to dealership, make new vehicle deliveries, so on...
My ( Long winded ) point is, I have gotten to drive some pretty cool vehicles, and 1 is the Lightening ... That truck is a nice ride ! ! Will I own one NO... But they are very comfortable and a great handling truck...
They have a place here, not my place, not many on here's place, but SOME people want them...
Whoever wants an EV can buy one. The problem is the people who don't want them are being pushed in that direction. "We will end fossil fuels" and shutting down fossil fuel production does not sound like people having much of a choice.- I will say this.... I left my career of 40+ years for several reasons, non of which have to do with camping... I started a non stress job working for a friend that owns a chain of Auto dealerships.. 2 Mazda, 2 Subaru, and 7 Ford...
I am a driver and move vehicles form dealership to dealership, make new vehicle deliveries, so on...
My ( Long winded ) point is, I have gotten to drive some pretty cool vehicles, and 1 is the Lightening ... That truck is a nice ride ! ! Will I own one NO... But they are very comfortable and a great handling truck...
They have a place here, not my place, not many on here's place, but SOME people want them... - Or compare to a Stanley Steamer....
After going through the 17 steps necessary to start this car and then waiting 30 to 40 minutes for enough steam pressure to build, a driver could expect to travel about 35 to 45 miles before needing to stop and refill the 28-gallon tank with water. The water was heated by vaporized kerosene.
Technology could probably improve this a bit but still careful what you wish for. way2roll wrote:
Are you sure?time2roll wrote:
mosseater wrote:
Yes and fired with coal or heavy sulfur crude ;)
I think we should try steam again as well.
Anyone know the range of a steam train engine before needing water?
Farther than an EV. :-)
Google:
During the very early days of steam locomotives, water stops were necessary every 7–10 miles (11–16 km) and consumed much travel time. With the introduction of tenders (a special car containing water and fuel), trains could run 100–150 miles (160–240 km) without a refill.- How much have we propped up the oil industry over the decades? Free market capitalism?
Remember leaded gas? How long were we happily poisoning ourselves with that, all the while complaining about how unleaded would destroy the world. I don't think electric battery production will ever be close to that.
Change happens. Keep up or get out of the way. Get used to it, blah blah blah.
If I don't retire first, my next commuter will likely be electric. They're already better in nearly every way, period. My next tow vehicle on the other hand, IF I get another one, will likely be diesel, mostly because I tow off the beaten path a lot. I imagine electric charging will penetrate pretty deeply into that arena fairly soon too. - "Auto manufacturers are putting billions into EV development because people want them."
Wrong. Auto manufacturers are putting Billions of dollars into them because the government is giving them the money - taxpayer money. And you have built in demand - because the government is making EV's mandatory. This is not about free market capitalism and being competitive. This is about auto manufacturers making a deal with the government to secure funding and a captive consumer. And to your point, the manufacturers that don't get that deal, will go under. They can't do it on their own merit and resources, it's not cost effective. So the government again gets to dictate the market and who survives in it, not free market competition. When the government decides to manipulate the market with taxpayer money, your freedom to choose as a consumer is gone. And the loss of that freedom gets paired with a lighter wallet.
