How many EVs is GM actually selling?

[Groover]

GM's production and "sales" of EVs, including pickup trucks, went up by a large percentage in the 3rd quarter. But they count vehicles as sold when the dealer takes them. The Bolt seems to be selling to consumers well but the Hummer, maybe not. Is it that consumers don't want them or is it the ridiculous markups the dealers are putting on the Hummer?

GM 3rd qtr EV sales

From autoevolution:
"Despite GM reporting 1,167 GMC Hummer EVs sold in the third quarter, many still lie on dealer lots, waiting for a buyer. A quick search on CarEdge reveals that 976 brand-new GMC Hummer EVs are available at dealerships. If you filter out the vehicles still in transit, 651 units are still waiting for a buyer. If you want to find out why, just look at the prices. Many are listed at more than $150,000, sometimes even $200,000. This means the dealer markups on these units are outrageous, in some cases as high as $100,000.

Of course, not all of them were reported as sold in the third quarter. CarEdge also mentions how long they've been on the market, so we used this filter. Remarkably, 849 of them have been on the market for between 7 and 97 days, which means they were likely delivered from July through September. This sounds like almost the entire third-quarter production is still waiting for a buyer."

[MastEvac71]

Update according to many business and automotive news sources is that  the major auto makers are cutting back or discontinuing their EV production.  Even with large price cuts and other gimmicks consumers are simply not interested in buying EV.  Latest from Ford. Ford is dramatically scaling back their EV plant production due to plummeting sales.

 

[shelbyfv]

Grit dog wrote:

shelbyfv wrote:
Yep, having choices is usually a good thing. I wouldn't choose an EV right now to pull a 40' mobile home but one would work fine for my wife's commute to the gym. I'm happy to see infrastructure expanding and technology improving!

For sure. And we each in our own way spend unnecessary money on things or luxuries that “we” want. Myself included.
But the flip side to what you said, is that $5000 fuel sipping old commuter would get her to the gym just the same, but cheaper, albeit without the fanfare and image you/she is trying to put forth.

I feel the point that is lost here is that generally those who are advocates are either above the median income/wealth range and it’s a combination status symbol and an adjectival representation of what they want people to think about them or literally going for the most basic compact commuter car.
Not bagging on your choice. I could say the same for myself with a stable full of fuel guzzlers. They’re what I prefer.
The difference is, unlike many EV owners, I don’t try to justify my actions by selectively promoting them while looking down my nose at those that don’t think the same.
Again not saying that’s you in particular, but that is the general theme amongst most of the staunch EV proponents here. Even the ones who don’t have the coin to buy one.

That's just not been my experience. I know a half dozen EV owners and other than being affluent (same as most buyers of new HD trucks) none of that describes them. I don't think any of them care what other folks drive. Not saying your experience hasn't been different. 🙂

[Grit_dog]

pianotuna wrote:
for me an ev would be perfect for a car.

for towing, not quite yet.

But it actually wouldn’t. Based on your own admissions. Multiple ones from the environment you live in to the cost. As much as you want something, if it doesn’t make sense it’s not perfect for you…..if you think about it.

[free_radical]

Heres nother way of reducing polution of transport
Methanol made from carbon capture
Geely semi truck
https://youtu.be/V_c3n1gPoOU?si=zNF2EIkO6Fdxdmne

[pianotuna]

for me an ev would be perfect for a car.

for towing, not quite yet.

[Grit_dog]

shelbyfv wrote:
Yep, having choices is usually a good thing. I wouldn't choose an EV right now to pull a 40' mobile home but one would work fine for my wife's commute to the gym. I'm happy to see infrastructure expanding and technology improving!

For sure. And we each in our own way spend unnecessary money on things or luxuries that “we” want. Myself included.
But the flip side to what you said, is that $5000 fuel sipping old commuter would get her to the gym just the same, but cheaper, albeit without the fanfare and image you/she is trying to put forth.

I feel the point that is lost here is that generally those who are advocates are either above the median income/wealth range and it’s a combination status symbol and an adjectival representation of what they want people to think about them or literally going for the most basic compact commuter car.
Not bagging on your choice. I could say the same for myself with a stable full of fuel guzzlers. They’re what I prefer.
The difference is, unlike many EV owners, I don’t try to justify my actions by selectively promoting them while looking down my nose at those that don’t think the same.
Again not saying that’s you in particular, but that is the general theme amongst most of the staunch EV proponents here. Even the ones who don’t have the coin to buy one.

[Grit_dog]

JaxDad wrote:

Reisender wrote:
Generally speaking, the further you go north the higher the adaption rate of EV’s is. Norway has the highest EV adoption rate in the world, now north of 90 percent. Iceland, holland, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany all have high EV adoption rates.

I have family in Finland, the main reason, by a wide margin, for EV ownership is purely financial. People that formerly couldn’t really afford a car, now can, and thank the taxman for that.

Gasoline is ~US$7.50 / gallon, and is garbage fuel from Russia that requires a major detune of most vehicles. Folks with money and performance cars buy gasoline imported from Germany with a 50% premium tacked on. Heavy import duties, huge annual taxes and licensing fees all disappeared with the EV’s

In my family’s case the advantage is so great they have 3 EV’s now for less money than one gasser used to cost.

Bingo, socialism has its way of convincing people to do things or what’s “best”.

[shelbyfv]

Yep, having choices is usually a good thing. I wouldn't choose an EV right now to pull a 40' mobile home but one would work fine for my wife's commute to the gym. I'm happy to see infrastructure expanding and technology improving!

[Reisender]

Huntindog wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I think believing EV's are not viable it because of the lack of charging stations is silly.
At some point there were cars and no gas stations.
The wright bros. didn't give up on the airplane because there were no airports.
The infrastructure will come in time. To think there should be a charging station on every corner at this juncture is foolish.

Depends on when you want to travel.
I want to now. Not at some point in the future. Is that foolish? If so, I will proudly wear that label.

Yah that’s valid and hits close to home. We have a number of family members who really want to switch to EV as it will save them a ton of money with the amount of kilometres they drive. But the corridor to northern BC is not finished yet and probably won’t be for 2 more summers. It’s the same corridor that’s keeping us from travelling and camping in the Yukon and into Alaska. Both BC hydro and Chevron are chipping away at it (and tesla to a lesser extent) but it will be awhile yet. Bottom line is it has to make sense.

[Huntindog]

Lantley wrote:
I think believing EV's are not viable it because of the lack of charging stations is silly.
At some point there were cars and no gas stations.
The wright bros. didn't give up on the airplane because there were no airports.
The infrastructure will come in time. To think there should be a charging station on every corner at this juncture is foolish.

Depends on when you want to travel.
I want to now. Not at some point in the future. Is that foolish? If so, I will proudly wear that label.

[JaxDad]

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

Groover wrote:

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I think believing EV's are not viable it because of the lack of charging stations is silly.
At some point there were cars and no gas stations.
The wright bros. didn't give up on the airplane because there were no airports.
The infrastructure will come in time. To think there should be a charging station on every corner at this juncture is foolish.

"The infrastructure will come in time" . . . Exactly. And until you can tell us precisely when that will happen, the go-to solution, as I see it, is a hybrid. Best of both worlds without the anxiety.

Can you tell us precisely when the infrastructure for gasoline became adequate? I sincerely doubt it.

However there is a prediction available:
"By late 2024, Tesla would open 3,500 new and existing Superchargers along highway corridors to non-Tesla customers, the Biden administration said. It would also offer 4,000 slower chargers at locations like hotels and restaurants."

Supercharger stations average about 10 chargers each. So about 350 next stations by the end of next year. Personally, I expect that Tesla will surpass that. They had better since vast majority of new EVs will be using the Tesla plug by 2015. Will that be adequate? For many people, yes. Could be improved in following years? Absolutely. Will it be adequate for you? That depends on your definition of adequate and where you drive.

"Can you tell us precisely when the infrastructure for gasoline became adequate? I sincerely doubt it."

Is this a history test or a discussion on EV's and our inadequate infrastructure?

There’s a *HUGE* difference between the automobile becoming ubiquitous 120’ish years ago and EV’s catching on.

People weren’t depending on their Model A’s & T’s to get to work, school, grocery shopping, etc, or travelling the country, and not just because there were no highways yet.

[RetiredRealtorR]

Groover wrote:

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I think believing EV's are not viable it because of the lack of charging stations is silly.
At some point there were cars and no gas stations.
The wright bros. didn't give up on the airplane because there were no airports.
The infrastructure will come in time. To think there should be a charging station on every corner at this juncture is foolish.

"The infrastructure will come in time" . . . Exactly. And until you can tell us precisely when that will happen, the go-to solution, as I see it, is a hybrid. Best of both worlds without the anxiety.

Can you tell us precisely when the infrastructure for gasoline became adequate? I sincerely doubt it.

However there is a prediction available:
"By late 2024, Tesla would open 3,500 new and existing Superchargers along highway corridors to non-Tesla customers, the Biden administration said. It would also offer 4,000 slower chargers at locations like hotels and restaurants."

Supercharger stations average about 10 chargers each. So about 350 next stations by the end of next year. Personally, I expect that Tesla will surpass that. They had better since vast majority of new EVs will be using the Tesla plug by 2015. Will that be adequate? For many people, yes. Could be improved in following years? Absolutely. Will it be adequate for you? That depends on your definition of adequate and where you drive.

"Can you tell us precisely when the infrastructure for gasoline became adequate? I sincerely doubt it."

Is this a history test or a discussion on EV's and our inadequate infrastructure?

[Groover]

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

Lantley wrote:
I think believing EV's are not viable it because of the lack of charging stations is silly.
At some point there were cars and no gas stations.
The wright bros. didn't give up on the airplane because there were no airports.
The infrastructure will come in time. To think there should be a charging station on every corner at this juncture is foolish.

"The infrastructure will come in time" . . . Exactly. And until you can tell us precisely when that will happen, the go-to solution, as I see it, is a hybrid. Best of both worlds without the anxiety.

Can you tell us precisely when the infrastructure for gasoline became adequate? I sincerely doubt it.

However there is a prediction available:
"By late 2024, Tesla would open 3,500 new and existing Superchargers along highway corridors to non-Tesla customers, the Biden administration said. It would also offer 4,000 slower chargers at locations like hotels and restaurants."

Supercharger stations average about 10 chargers each. So about 350 next stations by the end of next year. Personally, I expect that Tesla will surpass that. They had better since vast majority of new EVs will be using the Tesla plug by 2015. Will that be adequate? For many people, yes. Could be improved in following years? Absolutely. Will it be adequate for you? That depends on your definition of adequate and where you drive.

[Grit_dog]

@reisender, since you have a fairly comprehensive EV knowledge base and years of use under your belt.
How much charge does a guy get level 1 off of a 120v convenience outlet at -25deg?
Again for context, if you drive low miles and are home a long time at night it may be fine.
If I have a 100 mile commute + (I do) and I’m getting home at 8-9pm and leaving at 05:30 and my Ford lightning (cause I need at least a little 1/2 ton truck, minimum) is sitting out in -25 deg weather and I’m using the Xmas light plug to charge it, how many miles of charge (roughly) will I get in that 8-9 hour timeframe in those conditions?