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2016 Ram 2500 with 6.4 hemi and 4.1 towing 12K

kzspree320
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I just got back from almost a 2,000 mile trip, which was the first long tow for my 2016 Ram 2500 gasser. I thought some on the gas vs diesel fence might be interested in how well this gasser tows my almost 35' Columbus fiver (tall profile, 13"4" high) which loaded to camp weighs around 12,000-12,500 lbs.

Trip was from Louisiana through MS, Tennessee and Kentucky and then back through Alabama. Almost all of it was Interstate and I towed at 65 mph. For your info, last truck was a 2015 Ram 2500 with the 6.7 Cummins, which was destroyed in the August 2016 Louisiana flood. I have towed the same fifth wheel with both so I can compare.

Let me start by saying it does not tow like the diesel. Yes, it has to shift more because it has less torque. If you want the easiest towing, and the extra $7-8K upfront and potential costlier repairs once the warranty is up doesn't concern you, then just get the diesel. Please diesel owners don't hijack this thread, I'm just trying to give info so people can make decisions. If you tow regularly in the western mountains at high altitudes, just get the diesel.

If most of your towing is in the eastern US and not at high altitudes, this gasser tows pretty **** good. Yes, it tows at 1,000-1,200 rpms high than the diesel, but that's what it was designed to do. With tow/haul on, it never towed in 6th. Towing in 5th (still an OD gear) was about 2,300 rpms and 4th was about 2,800 rpms. On the longer and steeper pulls, it occasionally used 3rd at about 3,500 rpms. It could hold 65+ mph anywhere we went if you want. For the entire trip, I estimate it probably spent about 55% of the time in 5th gear, 40% in 4th gear, and 5% in 3rd gear. Almost all of the 3rd gear was in Tennessee and Kentucky. I will take this to Colorado in the future, but I do know I will have to bring my patience at times on the long pulls through the passes (yes, I love Colorado).

I hand calculated my towing mileage, so here it goes by tank - 8.1, 8.1, 7.6, 8.0, 8.5, 7.8, 7.2, 7.8, 8.1, 8.0, 8.1. Since I like to have close to half a tank, most fillips were between 150 and 180 miles. In the diesel, I would have probably averaged 10.5-11.2 mpg and filled up about every 200-250 miles. The 7.2 mpg tank was against a stiff headwind. Looks to me like the overall average was about 8 mpg. That's about what I thought when I bought the truck. Non towing I get about 13 around town and 16 on the highway.

My truck is rated to pull almost 16K. I don't think that would be fun. But at under 13K or so, it does a good job overall and great for a gasser. I do not regret my decision on this truck. YMMV depending on how you use the truck.

I read a lot of ib516's posts before buying the truck. Overall, I agree with his towing impressions. Hope this helps others in the truck buying process.
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kzspree320
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spoon059 -I agree. IMHO, the 4.10 ratio should be ordered far more than it is by dealerships. The 3.73 has its place for those towing less than 10K or so and more interested in mpg. I know most towing over 10K will probably opt for the Cummins, but the 4.10 in the 6.4 Hemi may be a good choice for many depending on how often they tow, where they tow, and how/where they use the truck when not towing.

spoon059
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Good review, glad you like your truck. My buddy wanted a 4.10 Hemi, but he couldn't find one on a lot and was too impatient to order or keep looking. He got the 3.73 ratio and decided that he hated it. He traded it less than 18 months later on a 3500 Cummins. His biggest complaint with the 3.73 gears was that it would rev high in 4th gear, then drop into 2nd when towing up grades. It wouldn't ever go into 3rd gear towing. I think that the transmission was designed to work well with the 4.10's... but not so well with 3.73's. Its a shame that so few dealerships have the 4.10 option, as that really seems like the right ratio to wake this truck up!
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TurnThePage
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Great review! I'm a little diesel shy, and am glad that there good gas options.
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kzspree320
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Transam9 - Yes. My diesel was a 3.42 SRW. I don't doubt that a 4.10 DRW would tow even better. As I stated in my post, the Cummins with a 3.42 is a better tower, but the gasser with 4.10 does well. The answer to the question you have above was only about initial acceleration from a dead stop. That's certainly not that important to me as long as they will both get up to merging speed on an on ramp, which they can both do well with the edge to the Cummins.

transamz9
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kzspree320 wrote:
ScottG wrote:
That makes for an awesome choice of power plants.
I'm curious, does the 6.4 get off the line better than the Cummins?

Thanks for the great write-up.

Scott


I think the 6.4 is faster non-towing. Towing the Cummins seems a little faster, but the 6.4 is no slouch towing and doesn't lag far behind on level sound.


To the OP, great right up and I am happy you are happy with your new truck. There is nothing wrong with the gas motors and towing. They do a great job.

One thing I have to point out in your comparison though is you have to keep in mind that you had a 2500 Cummins that I believe was 370 hp 800 lb-ft with 3.42 rear gears. There is other options when it comes to choosing a diesel truck just like there is with a gas truck. Your current gas truck has 4.10's so I assume it has the max tow option.

I can tell you that having my 2013 Ram with the Aisin with 385 hp and 850 lb and then going to a 2016 with 385/900 I could sure tell the difference in towing. One would have to go to DRW but towing with a diesel 385/900 with 4.10's will be a big leap as to towing with the gas motor with 4.10's.

Like I said, I'm happy you are happy and that all it's about I just wanted to hit on a couple points. I truly wish the big three would offer different gear option for their SRW diesels. It would be unreal at the towing differences one would see with them. In all fairness you are really comparing apples to peaches unless you compare both engines with the same gear set.
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kzspree320
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ScottG wrote:
That makes for an awesome choice of power plants.
I'm curious, does the 6.4 get off the line better than the Cummins?

Thanks for the great write-up.

Scott


I think the 6.4 is faster non-towing. Towing the Cummins seems a little faster, but the 6.4 is no slouch towing and doesn't lag far behind on level sound.

ScottG
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That makes for an awesome choice of power plants.
I'm curious, does the 6.4 get off the line better than the Cummins?

Thanks for the great write-up.

Scott

kzspree320
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Look at the subject line. I had to look hard to find a 4.10. If you are going to be towing much over 10K I would suggest the 4.10. The extra rpms help a lot.

sidewayzz
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Nice to hear.I have been looking hard at buying the 6.4 hemi. Was wondering what kind of gear ratio does yours have?
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