Some on here will say \"they all build good trucks now days.\" I say BS to that. There are some diesel engines that have had problems and they have changed a lot of parts to fix those problems. IMHO stay away from those engines and brands.
Some have had the same basic engine design for years. IMHO stick with those brands.
Also stay away from first year engines and fixes.
I will say it again, do your homework and you will be fine.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"Turtle_n_Peeps"},"postTime":"2014-10-22T18:24:45.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwy","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":1525531,"body":"I bought my first diesel 3-1/2 years ago with 194,000 miles on it. Now has about 227k, it's also a plow truck, runs like a champ. High maintenance. It's a 1999 Ford 7.3 Liter F350 I have been checking these out for a while. My recommendation is to stay away from the 6.0 Fords bad design on the engines head gaskets go as the head studs get stretched under heavy load. rumor has it that they finally straightened out the mess with the 2015. That problem can be fixed with a head stud kit.
My dad puls his TT with a 2006 GMC Duramax Diesel, Crazy powerful and regular maintenance has been ok for him, it's been a solid truck he has overr 100k on it. I really like my Ford but I do all the repairs myself too to keep costs down. Good luck!
huh this is my first post on this site. Just call me Newbie!... For now.. I'm Kevin","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"NH_Camper2014"},"postTime":"2014-10-22T18:25:47.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXwz","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":1525532,"body":"They are all reliable now but just like anything else made by man there is always the chance of a breakdown. If it's out of warranty than yes it could be costly but so could a gas motor if the right part broke.
If you go around worrying about this stuff it is going to eat at you all the time and take the enjoyment out of your trip.
If you want more truck than what is in your siggy then you could just move up in truck size and stay with gas. If you want a diesel just because you want it then make sure you can afford the issues that may come with it.
When I bought my '05 Ram Cummins all I heard was the trans will go and the frontend wouldn't hold up. I'm still driving it on the original trans and frontend parts. Well over half the miles on it are towing miles and most of those are with a programmer turned all the way to max setting. Just take care of what ever you get, don't try to make it do more than it can do and it will last you a very long time no matter what you get.","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"transamz9"},"postTime":"2014-10-22T18:30:25.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw0","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":1525533,"body":"If you want to buy Ford, get the 7.3.
We made the mistake and bought first year 6.4 (paid top dollar) and then ended up spending an additional 10K in cash and our warranty company paying 19K to replace the motor.
If you have the option to get an extended warranty through your bank or credit union, go with Route66/ACS. They will take care of you 100%. I can't recommend them enough and have the receipts to prove it!
Good luck!","board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"author":{"__typename":"User","login":"AdamBryner2012"},"postTime":"2014-10-22T18:35:30.000-07:00","kudosSumWeight":0}},{"__typename":"MessageEdge","cursor":"MjUuM3wyLjF8b3w1fDE0OjAsMzk6MXw1","node":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","uid":1525534,"body":"I really, really enjoy towing with a diesel. Longer distances between fill ups, much better fuel economy, and effortless uphill runs.
As Turtle said, do your homework. I spent a few months reading and asking questions at Powerstroke.org before I bought my Ford 6.0 last year. There are Duramax and Cummins forums, too. 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My truck depreciated a little less than 2K a year. I must have got a good one! :B
The list price on my truck was 84,000. My BIL bought an identical truck to mine in the Spring of 2010 (a 2011 model). He paid $72,000 for it and traded it in a couple months ago after trying to sell it privately for 32,000. So his depreciation was over 8k per year. He had a few more miles on his than mine has though. Vehicles (and especially full load trucks) depreciate at an incredible rate in Alberta. 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jalichty wrote: 4x4ord, do you really mean the truck depreciates $8,000 per year? That would mean that after about 7 years your truck is worth nothing? I'm not necessarily doubting you, more worried about the depreciation on my GMC.
My truck depreciated a little less than 2K a year. I must have got a good one! :B","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T08:39:54.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T08:39:54.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":369},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1525529/message:1525573","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"customFields":[],"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}}},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1525572":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1525572","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1525572":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:88063"},"id":"message:1525572","revisionNum":1,"uid":1525572,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1525529"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"subject":"Re: Diesel Question...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1525572"},"body":"
mabynack wrote: Years ago I did a comparison between the costs of a diesel and the costs of gas engine for RV towing. The diesel is more costly to maintain and costs more up front. Diesel fuel is also more expensive. One the other hand, the diesel gets better mileage and will usually last longer than a gas engine. I found the break-even point of the additional cost of the diesel at about 70,000 miles at the time of the study. In the end, it's more a matter of personal preference. I love my diesel for towing my 14,000 lb fifth wheel.
I have no doubt that owning a 6.0 diesel costs more up front and is more costly to maintain. It was the second worst diesel ever put into an American truck; ever! If you would have bought a Dmax or a Cummins your outcome would have been different. Mine is. :)","body@stripHtml({\"removeProcessingText\":false,\"removeSpoilerMarkup\":false,\"removeTocMarkup\":false,\"truncateLength\":200})@stringLength":"203","kudosSumWeight":0,"repliesCount":0,"postTime":"2014-10-30T08:37:16.000-07:00","lastPublishTime":"2014-10-30T08:37:16.000-07:00","metrics":{"__typename":"MessageMetrics","views":369},"visibilityScope":"PUBLIC","placeholder":false,"originalMessageForPlaceholder":null,"isEscalated":null,"solution":false,"entityType":"FORUM_REPLY","eventPath":"grouphub:TravelTrailer/category:TRAVELCENTER/community:feyqc97479board:TravelTrailerforum-board/message:1525529/message:1525572","replies":{"__typename":"MessageConnection","pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null},"edges":[]},"attachments":{"__typename":"AttachmentConnection","edges":[],"pageInfo":{"__typename":"PageInfo","hasNextPage":false,"endCursor":null,"hasPreviousPage":false,"startCursor":null}},"customFields":[]},"User:user:259672":{"__typename":"User","id":"user:259672","uid":259672,"login":"Slowmover","biography":null,"registrationData":{"__typename":"RegistrationData","status":null,"registrationTime":"2003-11-14T19:50:04.000-08:00"},"deleted":false,"email":"","avatar":{"__typename":"UserAvatar","url":"https://community.goodsam.com/t5/s/feyqc97479/m_assets/avatars/default/avatar-6.svg?time=1737155183000"},"rank":{"__ref":"Rank:rank:42"},"entityType":"USER","eventPath":"community:feyqc97479/user:259672"},"ModerationData:moderation_data:1525571":{"__typename":"ModerationData","id":"moderation_data:1525571","status":"APPROVED","rejectReason":null,"isReportedAbuse":false,"rejectUser":null,"rejectTime":null,"rejectActorType":null},"ForumReplyMessage:message:1525571":{"__typename":"ForumReplyMessage","author":{"__ref":"User:user:259672"},"id":"message:1525571","revisionNum":1,"uid":1525571,"depth":1,"hasGivenKudo":false,"subscribed":false,"board":{"__ref":"Forum:board:TravelTrailerforum-board"},"parent":{"__ref":"ForumTopicMessage:message:1525529"},"conversation":{"__ref":"Conversation:conversation:1525529"},"subject":"Re: Diesel Question...","moderationData":{"__ref":"ModerationData:moderation_data:1525571"},"body":"IF
One is towing under 10k
Will own less than 200k
then a gasser is the obvious choice.
Near 20k lbs and maybe 300k miles. Then, diesel
In between, today, the most powerful gassers are the better bet AFAIK (this would not have been true in 2005).
The more solo miles, the more the gasser appears the better choice. The diesel is almost overkill on most trailer weights of RV's, so the solo miles should carry the ball for this decision, IMO.
Good luck
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