First drive Ram 1500 diesel

[hone_eagle]

1500 Ram diesel

Nice review ,I think they like it and clears up some points on why Ram did not use the 5.0 Cummins

[otrfun]

itguy08 wrote:

CT51 wrote:
What really lit me off was the statement that a Ford has to be better because they sell more. So, a Camry has to be the best mid sized car? Corolla has to be the best small car? Good cars for sure, but definitely not for me.

Why yes, the Camry would be the best. Why? Because it sells the most so it's best for the most people. I don't even like Toyota and I'll concede that. And the best small car would be the Focus for 2 years running. Why? It sold the most worldwide. 🙂

I hate WalMart with a passion but I'll concede they are the best retailer. Why? Cause they fill the needs of the most people.

Your use of "best" without a qualifier is somewhat provocative and mis-leading.

One could easily prove these statements:

Ford is the best selling truck in America.
Ram is not the best selling truck in America.

I would think the following statements would be nearly impossible to prove in a court-of-law without a qualifier. These statements (by themselves) would be classified as opinion or hearsay:

Ford is the best truck.
Red is the best color.

[RobertRyan]

supercharged wrote:
Does it smell as bad

No it is not a coal fired steam engine.It is a modern diesel.

[Supercharged]

hone eagle wrote:

1500 Ram diesel

Nice review ,I think they like it and clears up some points on why Ram did not use the 5.0 Cummins

Does it smell as bad as the other diesel, shake more being a V-6 and leak more oil than the bigger ones do?

[RobertRyan]

itguy08 wrote:
I'll clear the crystal ball. I see Sergio canning Chrysler and Dodge and it being Ram, Fiat, Jeep and maybe Alfa. There is pretty much 0 equity in Chrysler and Dodge brands. The only thing really keeping them in the black is Jeep and Ram. Last quarter sales of cars were down for them in just about every segment. I believe there was little to no growth for them YOY in cars but could be wrong.

He is doing that Globally. Probably end up with Jeep outside NA, the rest are Fiat divisions.

[itguy08]

FishOnOne wrote:

Point is Chrysler Detroit/Corporate seams to be on the loosing end of the Fiat Corporate takeover when it comes to growing their US engineering department. It's your powertrain engineering group or lack of with Chrysler US that will have a negative impact in the long term IMO.

Careful with the envy topic as I'm sure Fiat is kicking the tire about putting one of their own engines into the RAM and kicking cummins to the curb. Because I'm sure Fiat thinks they have a better engine. :W

I'll clear the crystal ball. I see Sergio canning Chrysler and Dodge and it being Ram, Fiat, Jeep and maybe Alfa. There is pretty much 0 equity in Chrysler and Dodge brands. The only thing really keeping them in the black is Jeep and Ram. Last quarter sales of cars were down for them in just about every segment. I believe there was little to no growth for them YOY in cars but could be wrong.

I could see them dropping Cummins too sometime. They have great Diesels from Europe and it would make sense to build them in house vs pay someone else.

It will be interesting to watch but I think this will not be much different than every other time Chrysler tries to get hitched to someone else. Good in the beginning and then after a while it will peter out.

[itguy08]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Well this is what I see when I build a truck. See a 3.6 anywhere?

Don

Cause you built a longbed and I built a shortbed..... And in my Ford comparison I also built a shortbed.

[FishOnOne]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
The trend with RAM trucks is they continue to outsource there engines and transmissions.

Says the Ford man, who built ALL of Ford's diesel engines for years and years? Nav who? VM diesel is owned by Fiat,as in "in house". Our 8 and 9 speeds are ZF transmissions built by us using their design with our input. So by that standard the new Ford/GM transmissions coming down the pike some time late 2014-2015 are not in house then right Troy?

Yep we use the Cummins 5.9 and now 6.7 to the ENVY of Ford and GM. Hell Ford even bought up Cummins stock in an effort to get their hands on their engines. Didn't work out to well for them and they soon sold off their shears in Cummins.

Fiat had joint ventures with GM and Ford long before Chrysler. So whats the point of your post Troy?

Don

Point is Chrysler Detroit/Corporate seams to be on the loosing end of the Fiat Corporate takeover when it comes to growing their US engineering department. It's your powertrain engineering group or lack of with Chrysler US that will have a negative impact in the long term IMO.

Careful with the envy topic as I'm sure Fiat is kicking the tire about putting one of their own engines into the RAM and kicking cummins to the curb. Because I'm sure Fiat thinks they have a better engine. :W

[Engineer9860]

I'm still looking for my grey Polo shirt.

Has anyone seen it?

[FishOnOne]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:
The trend with RAM trucks is they continue to outsource there engines and transmissions.

Says the Ford man, who built ALL of Ford's diesel engines for years and years? Nav who? VM diesel is owned by Fiat,as in "in house". Our 8 and 9 speeds are ZF transmissions built by us using their design with our input. So by that standard the new Ford/GM transmissions coming down the pike some time late 2014-2015 are not in house then right Troy?

Yep we use the Cummins 5.9 and now 6.7 to the ENVY of Ford and GM. Hell Ford even bought up Cummins stock in an effort to get their hands on their engines. Didn't work out to well for them and they soon sold off their shears in Cummins.

Fiat had joint ventures with GM and Ford long before Chrysler. So whats the point of your post Troy?

Don

Aloe vera; yes Troy, that is what I recommend, because aloe vera works great for burns. :B

Good one...:B But it sounds like your speaking from experience! :W

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

Well this is what I see when I build a truck. See a 3.6 anywhere?

Don

[srt20]

This is a nice waste of bandwidth.

[itguy08]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:


What part of work with US don't you understand.

What part of Designed by ZF don't you understand??? If it was joint, it would have said it.

[itguy08]

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

That's funny because the base engine for an SLT CC is the Hemi not the Pentastar. Try try again ITguy. LINK to the SLT CC option tab

Don

Then explain this:

[Perrysburg_Dodg]

itguy08 wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
They also asked them to work with our engineers on the 9 speed.

Which 9 speed would that be? Cause your current 9 speed is a ZF unit...

ZF 9HP

Note this:
The ZF 9HP is a nine-speed automatic transmission, designed but not built by ZF Friedrichshafen AG subsidiary ZF Getriebe GmbH in Saarbrücken.

Here's a little more reading:
List of Chrysler transmissions.

What part of work with US don't you understand. The ZF 9 speed is a Fiat/Chrysler design as ZF never had a 9 speed before we asked for their help engineering one. It is never ever going in anything other then a Fiat/Chrysler vehicle without the OK from Fiat/Chrysler.

Go screw up a Ford thread DA

Don

HERE READ THIS
In addition, Chrysler needs far more of the transmissions than ZF plans to make. Design choices that make sense for production of 50,000 transmissions a year may not make sense for production of 200,000 per year. To pump out the number of transmissions Chrysler will need, some changes had to be made.

Mr. Kirk said that the partnership with ZF had been mutually productive; while Chrysler owns the intellectual property of any changes they make to the transmissions, they do keep ZF informed. Chrysler can patent any of their changes and methods, including the software and controls, and has some internal motivation to improve the transmissions and their production methods to maintain balance with ZF.

Standards for both manufacturers are high; and both ZF and Chrysler use the same end-of-line test centers, driven by the same software.



Original is at ZF 9-Speed Automatic Transmission for Chrysler and Dodge cars http://www.allpar.com/mopar/transmissions/ZF9.html#ixzz2rw5bmxFE
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[Perrysburg_Dodg]

itguy08 wrote:

Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:

Hate to rain on your parade but the Eco-Diesel is only a $2850 up charge over the Hemi your pile of cash just got a whole lot smaller. LMAO

Hate to rain on your parade but I went over to ram trucks.com and built a 2014 SLT crew cab and the Diesel is a $4000 option over the base engine. The Hemi costs $1150 over the base. OUCH!

For a 2014 F150 XLT Supercrew, the 5.0 costs $1000 over the base and the Ecoboost costs $2095.

I know which one I'd pick day in and day out. I suspect America will agree with me.

That's funny because the base engine for an SLT CC is the Hemi not the Pentastar. Try try again ITguy. LINK to the SLT CC option tab

Don