Ford 7.3L GASSER rumor confirmed

[ib516]

Says TFL Truck. No word on hp or tq.
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[ShinerBock]

transamz9 wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Yeah, what’s not to love?
I mean that’s what I look for in a vehicle. 30% higher rpms (you mean 100% higher by the way), 30% worse mileage and half the torque or less.......where do I sign? I’ll take 2!

No, I meant 30%. Sorry if that hurts. Lol!

My 5.4L F250 is the first truck I've owned in a very long time that I'm not anxious to trade for something better. If it were as bad as you wish or imagine it were, it would have been traded long ago. :B

So you are saying that if a 6.7 Powerstroke had to run at 2500 RPM to keep a load at speed you could do it at 3250? HAHAHA!!! That's funny right there. You need to get out more. I have driven plenty of 5.4's in my time and although a great long lasting engine low end power it does not have. You might be comparing to a 6.0 Powerstroke , that I would believe but not todays oil burners. You would be lucky to only turn 30% more than the 3.5 Ecoboost.

Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

[transamz9]

Hannibal wrote:

Grit dog wrote:
Yeah, what’s not to love?
I mean that’s what I look for in a vehicle. 30% higher rpms (you mean 100% higher by the way), 30% worse mileage and half the torque or less.......where do I sign? I’ll take 2!

No, I meant 30%. Sorry if that hurts. Lol!

My 5.4L F250 is the first truck I've owned in a very long time that I'm not anxious to trade for something better. If it were as bad as you wish or imagine it were, it would have been traded long ago. :B

So you are saying that if a 6.7 Powerstroke had to run at 2500 RPM to keep a load at speed you could do it at 3250? HAHAHA!!! That's funny right there. You need to get out more. I have driven plenty of 5.4's in my time and although a great long lasting engine low end power it does not have. You might be comparing to a 6.0 Powerstroke , that I would believe but not todays oil burners. You would be lucky to only turn 30% more than the 3.5 Ecoboost.

[kw_00]

Looking forward to Ford producing this engine, I’m sure GM will follow suit as well with changing the 6.0 to a larger displacement. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the 6.0 and it’s proven stronger then what it says on paper. I just figure if Ford goes bigger so will GM. Looking forward to the new gas engine power plants.

[Hannibal]

Grit dog wrote:
Yeah, what’s not to love?
I mean that’s what I look for in a vehicle. 30% higher rpms (you mean 100% higher by the way), 30% worse mileage and half the torque or less.......where do I sign? I’ll take 2!

No, I meant 30%. Sorry if that hurts. Lol!

My 5.4L F250 is the first truck I've owned in a very long time that I'm not anxious to trade for something better. If it were as bad as you wish or imagine it were, it would have been traded long ago. :B

[BenK]

Like what you like...a very personal thing...but do get tired of the 'push' of...."mines better than yours"...am happy for you...as am happy with what *I* like

There are many new gasser architectures currently out there and tons more in the 'idea' and 'proto-type' stages

Diesel has the 'best' (for now) efficiency of ICE's...at about 40%. Meaning 100 BTU's of energy in a gallon of diesel fuel will produce about 40% of that power down to pavement. Gasoline is even less than the 20% less energy vs diesel...because of the architecture of gassers...

But, with the newer stuff...expect gasoline to move up that efficiency curve...as will diesel

I'm a gasser guy and love big blocks for my full sized trucks. Okay with small blocks too...heck even the V6 in my 2007 Frontier just bought.

Like what you like and just don't push it on someone else who likes something else...

[specta]

Why can't there ever be a conversation about a gas engine without everyone piping in about how much better and wonderful their diesel is?

Some of us could care less.

[FishOnOne]

nodepositnoreturn wrote:
So......hum after reading this .....I’m going full time in the spring (hopefully) going to live in a Keystone Alpine 37FL.

I own since new a 2003 Dually Cummins. 4x4 I have 120,000 miles on it. My buddy is telling me to sell and get a new Chevy it will ride like a Cadillac.. So......I have no pollution stuff ..not even a cat.

And I should sell this for? $25,000 maybe (per mechanic) spend $85,000 for the pleasure?

I don’t know but I think older is better, I keep telling my wife that.?? off topic sorry your thoughts?

My parents own a '16 2500 Chevy and I can assure you it doesn't ride like a Cadillac.

As for buying a new truck that's a decision your going to have to make, but that 5.9 cummins is the best engine they made (excluding auto transmission).

[nodepositnoretu]

So......hum after reading this .....I’m going full time in the spring (hopefully) going to live in a Keystone Alpine 37FL.

I own since new a 2003 Dually Cummins. 4x4 I have 120,000 miles on it. My buddy is telling me to sell and get a new Chevy it will ride like a Cadillac.. So......I have no pollution stuff ..not even a cat.

And I should sell this for? $25,000 maybe (per mechanic) spend $85,000 for the pleasure?

I don’t know but I think older is better, I keep telling my wife that.?? off topic sorry your thoughts?

[Grit_dog]

Yeah, what’s not to love?
I mean that’s what I look for in a vehicle. 30% higher rpms (you mean 100% higher by the way), 30% worse mileage and half the torque or less.......where do I sign? I’ll take 2!

[Hannibal]

Too funny! In 2005, after 21 years of towing with six new diesels, boring my family and friends to tears with how wonderful they were, I got over it and went back to a quiet, smooth, gas V8 with it's subtle, hot rod sound. At about 30% higher rpm and 30% more fuel consumption in any given situation, I'm happy as a puppy with two p, er uh... tails! I'm very interested in the prospect of a new 7.3L gas F250 if my 5.4L F250 ever gets tired.

[Slowmover]

Engineer9860 wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

If you are not a trucker you shouldn’t be speaking on their behalf with such broad generalizations.

I’m a trucker and I can tell you that the drivers are very much in tune with their trucks. While many truckers don’t pay for their fuel directly (most don’t own their trucks like I do) they are encouraged to save fuel through fuel bonuses. Fuel is a major percentage of a trucking company’s operations.

I own a 2007 Freightliner Century. I am getting ready to spend $300 on a wheel alignment simply as a preventative maintenance measure. With fuel at $3./gal, and the miles ran, the return on a $300 alignment will be realized in about 6 months in fuel savings and reduced tire wear........and that’s based on actual data, not emotions.

I just moved from tankers to dry vans. Never occurred to me the potential MPG difference. I’m laughing all day long at seeing 9.0+ mpg with from 32-44k in the box. 1,700-1,900 miles between fillups of 200-gls +|- 579 Pete EPIQ Pkg. House AGM battery-powered sleeper AC.

The FE of modern diesel (DEF) is impressive, but an outsized HP rating and extended idling are the problems for today. Can’t use it, don’t buy it. Better spec & better use are key.

A big gas motor makes sense, no matter the fuel economy (as it won’t ever match Toro-Flow Twin Six consumption rate, ha!)

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[RobertRyan]

ShinerBock wrote:

Groover wrote:
The diesel engines themselves are fine. It is the emission systems and mostly the particulate filters that I am hearing about. The story I hear from the truckers that I know is that the new engines burn burn a third more fuel that the old ones.

Stories from truckers are just that, stories. Almost all of them don't even pay for their own fuel and certainly don't know how much fuel their truck is burning in comparison to older trucks. Truckers are like many people here, they make their decisions based on emotions and how the feel about something rather then actual data.

Groover wrote:
And there is no escaping the high carbon content of diesel which is blamed for global warming. I think that we can expect a carbon tax on diesel as soon as Trump is out of the White House. Even with the current price of diesel vs gasoline I go gasoline when I have the choice.

While diesel fuel has more carbon, gas engines actually emit higher CO2 emissions than diesel engines. That is a fact. And I can Guarantee you that your Ecoboost engines emit more particulate matter than current diesels too. Heck, they probably even emit more PM than my deleted diesel. NOx on the other hand....

Reason Europeans are not happy with Petrol/Gas engines

[BenK]

Plus comparing a 'car' ICE vs a 'truck' ICE

Biggest difference is in duty cycle

wnjj wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

There was a different measurement method back then: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/13/horsepower

[larry_barnhart]

It sounds impressive to me. Fuel mileage will be interesting.

chevman

[FishOnOne]

wnjj wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
400hp and 500tq doesn't sound that impressive for such a large motor in today's day and age. My old 66 Buick had 340hp and 445tq.

There was a different measurement method back then: https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2013/08/13/horsepower

Plus it's designed and tuned for a medium duty application so it's no where near being maxed out.

Stay tuned...