Ford 7.3L GASSER rumor confirmed

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Says TFL Truck. No word on hp or tq.
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[ShinerBock]

wing_zealot wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

Yes, I am calling you out for saying that your 5.4L only revs 30% more than my diesel pulling the same load BS. I have experience towing with 5.4L SD's and there is no way it will tow a 10k trailer up a hill at just 2,340 rpm which is 30% more than the 1,800 rpm my truck would do going 65 mph in 5th. Every 5.4L that I have driven would be screaming much higher than that at even the slightest of hill, and it you would consider yourself lucky if you were able to do the speed limit.

Hey, if we're calling people out I want to get in on the fun. I've been waiting for 6 months (See Here) to see this data you claim you have. You keep referring to the "data" you have; but you have thousands of excuses why you can't produce it. Time to produce it so it can be peer reviewed.

I can send it to you, but you will not be able to view it without SAP, Microsoft Access, and Tableau reader along with the correct login information.

[wing_zealot]

ShinerBock wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

Yes, I am calling you out for saying that your 5.4L only revs 30% more than my diesel pulling the same load BS. I have experience towing with 5.4L SD's and there is no way it will tow a 10k trailer up a hill at just 2,340 rpm which is 30% more than the 1,800 rpm my truck would do going 65 mph in 5th. Every 5.4L that I have driven would be screaming much higher than that at even the slightest of hill, and it you would consider yourself lucky if you were able to do the speed limit.

Hey, if we're calling people out I want to get in on the fun. I've been waiting for 6 months (See Here) to see this data you claim you have. You keep referring to the "data" you have; but you have thousands of excuses why you can't produce it. Time to produce it so it can be peer reviewed.

[ShinerBock]

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

Yes, I am calling you out for saying that your 5.4L only revs 30% more than my diesel pulling the same load BS. I have experience towing with 5.4L SD's and there is no way it will tow a 10k trailer up a hill at just 2,340 rpm which is 30% more than the 1,800 rpm my truck would do going 65 mph in 5th. Every 5.4L that I have driven would be screaming much higher than that at even the slightest of hill, and it you would consider yourself lucky if you were able to do the speed limit.

No way your truck will tow 10k lbs up a 6% grade 70mph at 1800rpm. You're still lying. Lol!

Yes, it will and has. Although I said 65 mph at 1,800 rpm, at 70 mph my rpm is closer to 1,950 rpm in 5th. You can YouTube it if you don't believe me. There are plenty of videos there. There is even a video of one towing 13,000 lbs up the Ike at over 9,000 ft above elevation in 4th gear at 2,350 rpm at 65 mph. I don't need that many revs for south Texas altitudes.

[Hannibal]

transamz9 wrote:
Shiner , he is comparing his 2010 truck to 7-10 year older trucks.Hes not posting about the present because he knows nothing about it. My 2016 makes as much or more power at 1600 as his does at 4200. :S

I traded my last Cummins Ram almost 14 years ago. I know plenty about the newer ones. Enough to know I have no desire or need for one.

[Hannibal]

ShinerBock wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

Yes, I am calling you out for saying that your 5.4L only revs 30% more than my diesel pulling the same load BS. I have experience towing with 5.4L SD's and there is no way it will tow a 10k trailer up a hill at just 2,340 rpm which is 30% more than the 1,800 rpm my truck would do going 65 mph in 5th. Every 5.4L that I have driven would be screaming much higher than that at even the slightest of hill, and it you would consider yourself lucky if you were able to do the speed limit.

No way your truck will tow 10k lbs up a 6% grade 70mph at 1800rpm. You're still lying. Lol!

[FishOnOne]

kw/00 wrote:
Looking forward to Ford producing this engine, I’m sure GM will follow suit as well with changing the 6.0 to a larger displacement. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the 6.0 and it’s proven stronger then what it says on paper. I just figure if Ford goes bigger so will GM. Looking forward to the new gas engine power plants.

I read an article (don't recall the source) a while back that GM was developing a big block gas motor. It would make sense since Chevrolet now has the medium duty truck line that will need a gas engine since there appears to be a market for medium duty gas powered trucks these days.

[Bird_Freak]

OK. Everybody put it on hold for a little bit.
Im out of popcorn.:B

[transamz9]

Shiner , he is comparing his 2010 truck to 7-10 year older trucks.Hes not posting about the present because he knows nothing about it. My 2016 makes as much or more power at 1600 as his does at 4200. :S

[transamz9]

Hannibal wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

So you are saying that if a 6.7 Powerstroke had to run at 2500 RPM to keep a load at speed you could do it at 3250? HAHAHA!!! That's funny right there. You need to get out more. I have driven plenty of 5.4's in my time and although a great long lasting engine low end power it does not have. You might be comparing to a 6.0 Powerstroke , that I would believe but not todays oil burners. You would be lucky to only turn 30% more than the 3.5 Ecoboost.

No, I didn't say that. You said that. I'm towing an 8500~lb travel trailer. Around the southeast, I don't see more than 4200rpm where my previous Cummins powered Rams saw 2900rpm. The 5.4L actually tows faster up the hills than my '03 250hp Cummins Ram. FWIW, I run 2000~rpm 65mph in OD on the flats with the 5.4L F250. Any hill will put it in direct at 2700~rpm. Steeper hills we pull in 3rd at 3800-4200rpm 60-65mph. All relatively quiet. My '98 12v 5spd/4.10 ran 2500rpm at 70 in 5th towing or not. There was no upshifting or downshifting possible with it. Sounded like a shop vac 10 hours a day. An F150 HD with 3.5L Ecoboost would do a fine job with our travel trailer. I've never owned nor would I ever own a 6.0 PSD. I have no desire or need for one of the newer diesels. The 5.4L is a long way from retirement.

:S :W

[ShinerBock]

Hannibal wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

Yes, I am calling you out for saying that your 5.4L only revs 30% more than my diesel pulling the same load BS. I have experience towing with 5.4L SD's and there is no way it will tow a 10k trailer up a hill at just 2,340 rpm which is 30% more than the 1,800 rpm my truck would do going 65 mph in 5th. Every 5.4L that I have driven would be screaming much higher than that at even the slightest of hill, and it you would consider yourself lucky if you were able to do the speed limit.

[Hannibal]

ShinerBock wrote:


Yeah, I would have to raise the BS flag on that too. I drove plenty of 5.4L SD's in the past as well and all of them would down shift to 2nd or 3rd at the sight of a hill when towing. They would get the load up the small hills, but it would be screamin' at 5,000 rpm doing 45 mph to get it there. I could just hum along at 1,700 rpm in 6th in my 6.7L CTD pulling the same weight up the same hill.

You're calling me a liar. I'm convinced you're a liar. I guess we'll just have to leave it at that.

[Hannibal]

transamz9 wrote:

So you are saying that if a 6.7 Powerstroke had to run at 2500 RPM to keep a load at speed you could do it at 3250? HAHAHA!!! That's funny right there. You need to get out more. I have driven plenty of 5.4's in my time and although a great long lasting engine low end power it does not have. You might be comparing to a 6.0 Powerstroke , that I would believe but not todays oil burners. You would be lucky to only turn 30% more than the 3.5 Ecoboost.

No, I didn't say that. You said that. I'm towing an 8500~lb travel trailer. Around the southeast, I don't see more than 4200rpm where my previous Cummins powered Rams saw 2900rpm. The 5.4L actually tows faster up the hills than my '03 250hp Cummins Ram. FWIW, I run 2000~rpm 65mph in OD on the flats with the 5.4L F250. Any hill will put it in direct at 2700~rpm. Steeper hills we pull in 3rd at 3800-4200rpm 60-65mph. All relatively quiet. My '98 12v 5spd/4.10 ran 2500rpm at 70 in 5th towing or not. There was no upshifting or downshifting possible with it. Sounded like a shop vac 10 hours a day. An F150 HD with 3.5L Ecoboost would do a fine job with our travel trailer. I've never owned nor would I ever own a 6.0 PSD. I have no desire or need for one of the newer diesels. The 5.4L is a long way from retirement.

[hone_eagle]

Hydrogen should be thought of as a energy storage medium ,like a battery.

dead end

[nodepositnoretu]

Does anyone know if the hydrogen engine which Toyota is now selling in California has any sort of potential as a tow engine. Built to thecorect size of coarse.

[thomasmnile]

BenK wrote:

Diesel has the 'best' (for now) efficiency of ICE's...at about 40%. Meaning 100 BTU's of energy in a gallon of diesel fuel will produce about 40% of that power down to pavement. Gasoline is even less than the 20% less energy vs diesel...because of the architecture of gassers...

But, with the newer stuff...expect gasoline to move up that efficiency curve...as will diesel

Hardly a tow vehicle, but the redesigned 2.5 liter 4 banger in our new Camry has some real mad science stuff in its innards that boosted HP to 203 and a claimed thermal efficiency (by Toyota) of 40%. Still a gutless wonder with torque at 187 ft lbs at around 5000 RPM. What I'm really curious about is the LOW viscosity engine oil required (0W-16), the computer controlled variable displacement oil pump, the electronically controlled thermostat, and the hybrid injection system of both direct and some other type......