Ford F250 vs Ram 2500 Gas V8 Drag Race and MPG Battle

[FishOnOne]

Interesting results especially with the HP gap of the two trucks.

Link

Edit: Added MPG Battle to title

[stufarmer]

All of the new Trucks are so much better than there predecessors. They are performing closer than they ever have, and they all impress the hell out of all of us. Chevrolet is currently re-tooling to convert their Trucks to Aluminum. I'm sure Ram will as soon as they can afford to. Interpret as you will, but for over 40 yrs Ford has been #1, having a greater percentage of trucks in commercial use and still on the road for the past 10 yrs. is apparently just luck.

[alexleblanc]

if I was going with the 6.2 I would 100% go up to the 350 platform simply for the torqshift - its proven and a great trans.

[colliehauler]

MFL wrote:

colliehauler wrote:
I wonder how the lighter duty transmission will hold up in the new Ford F-250?

My thought as well. Glad my 13 has the HD version. IMO, the transmission is a big part of what makes the Ford 6.2 great.

Jerry

I agree completely. The new transmission Torqshift G may be great but the Torqshift is time proven.

[colliehauler]

danrclem wrote:
Is the 2017 6.2 transmission lighter duty than previous years or just lighter than the 6.7? Just curious. I have a 2011 6.2 and if the new tranny is lighter than it is I might not ever want to trade up to a newer one.

Yes they went to a different transmission for the F-250 the F-350 still gets the torque shift. They call it a lighter duty torqshift G

[danrclem]

Is the 2017 6.2 transmission lighter duty than previous years or just lighter than the 6.7? Just curious. I have a 2011 6.2 and if the new tranny is lighter than it is I might not ever want to trade up to a newer one.

[transamz9]

mich800 wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B

You are saying that higher hp will win gas or diesel. Your 6.0 has more go than my diesel so why won't you do it with your 6.0 against my stock 5.9? I mean you have the advantage by being lighter and more hp.

Because it will not put peak HP down all of the time. Put a 10 speed auto in back of it and it will keep it in the peak HP band enough to kill a diesel. This is the reason manufactures are building mega gear transmissions.

And

because no mountain is at sea level; the place they rate a N/A engines HP. Modern diesels don't have this problem because they have turbos on them which keep them at an artificially sea level or even well below sea level under high boost.


Why are you so afraid of a low compression low torque N/A gasoline engine when you have a torque towing king of a turbo diesel engine? :B

I'm not afraid of them. Why are you so afraid to compare apples to apples?

The only way that would happen is if both had a cvt to maintain peak HP regardless of speed. If all things were equal and the only variabe was HP, the higher HP would always win.

Exactly what I'm saying. The truck with the most advertised hp is not going to always be the winner. The truck that can put the most on the ground for the longest time is the one that will win. 10# could make the difference in what gear one will be in at a given time giving the other one and advantage or disadvantage.

Given two trucks that are geared the same from the flywheel back and the same maximum hp rating but one truck has double the maximum torque rating the higher torque will allow you a wider hp band.

[MFL]

colliehauler wrote:
I wonder how the lighter duty transmission will hold up in the new Ford F-250?

My thought as well. Glad my 13 has the HD version. IMO, the transmission is a big part of what makes the Ford 6.2 great.

Jerry

[colliehauler]

I wonder how the lighter duty transmission will hold up in the new Ford F-250?

[mich800]

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B

You are saying that higher hp will win gas or diesel. Your 6.0 has more go than my diesel so why won't you do it with your 6.0 against my stock 5.9? I mean you have the advantage by being lighter and more hp.

Because it will not put peak HP down all of the time. Put a 10 speed auto in back of it and it will keep it in the peak HP band enough to kill a diesel. This is the reason manufactures are building mega gear transmissions.

And

because no mountain is at sea level; the place they rate a N/A engines HP. Modern diesels don't have this problem because they have turbos on them which keep them at an artificially sea level or even well below sea level under high boost.


Why are you so afraid of a low compression low torque N/A gasoline engine when you have a torque towing king of a turbo diesel engine? :B

I'm not afraid of them. Why are you so afraid to compare apples to apples?

The only way that would happen is if both had a cvt to maintain peak HP regardless of speed. If all things were equal and the only variabe was HP, the higher HP would always win.

[transamz9]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B

You are saying that higher hp will win gas or diesel. Your 6.0 has more go than my diesel so why won't you do it with your 6.0 against my stock 5.9? I mean you have the advantage by being lighter and more hp.

Because it will not put peak HP down all of the time. Put a 10 speed auto in back of it and it will keep it in the peak HP band enough to kill a diesel. This is the reason manufactures are building mega gear transmissions.

And

because no mountain is at sea level; the place they rate a N/A engines HP. Modern diesels don't have this problem because they have turbos on them which keep them at an artificially sea level or even well below sea level under high boost.


Why are you so afraid of a low compression low torque N/A gasoline engine when you have a torque towing king of a turbo diesel engine? :B

I'm not afraid of them. Why are you so afraid to compare apples to apples?

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

transamz9 wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B

You are saying that higher hp will win gas or diesel. Your 6.0 has more go than my diesel so why won't you do it with your 6.0 against my stock 5.9? I mean you have the advantage by being lighter and more hp.

Because it will not put peak HP down all of the time. Put a 10 speed auto in back of it and it will keep it in the peak HP band enough to kill a diesel. This is the reason manufactures are building mega gear transmissions.

And

because no mountain is at sea level; the place they rate a N/A engines HP. Modern diesels don't have this problem because they have turbos on them which keep them at an artificially sea level or even well below sea level under high boost.


Why are you so afraid of a low compression low torque N/A gasoline engine when you have a torque towing king of a turbo diesel engine? :B

[memtb]

"IF" anyone is interested and has the time to watch some pretty good YouTube videos.....Diesel Power Challenge (2015,2016). These are trucks "driven" to the challenge ( at around 5500 feet elevation near Denver)... But far from stock. However, you get to see towing competition, driving/backing with trailer, 1/8 mile drag race towing 10K lbs., 1/4 mile (just the truck), total fuel used during the multi day competition. Awesome what these "Coal Burners" can do!! :B

My wife enjoyed the videos... For what it's worth! 😉

[transamz9]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B

You are saying that higher hp will win gas or diesel. Your 6.0 has more go than my diesel so why won't you do it with your 6.0 against my stock 5.9? I mean you have the advantage by being lighter and more hp.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Sure, but if you get your 325 HP diesel I get to have my 9.4 liter N/A gas engine with T400. See you at the top. I'll be the person with half a 6 pack drank before you get there. :B