ShinerBock wrote:
Allamakee1 wrote:
I didn’t cherry pick anything, I used the data you provided. You were the one who all the sudden argued with the data you provided. More people are putting pens to paper and making the efficient decisions, amazing that 4 individual auto makers are now making 1/2 ton diesels. I’m getting tired of arguing with you but I’ll respond if you continue to question my honesty and integrity. I explained my situation and my personal opinion, you are the one projecting your opinion on what the masses would prefer even though you don’t know their individual situation.
Yes, you did. You cherry picked the fuel prices with the diesel and gas being the same price in your calculations even though it is much higher in most places and then you cherry picked the percentages of engines sold leaving out the 5.0L to make it look like more people preferred the economy engine.
Yes, you explained your situation and personal opinion just as I have explained mine which is that most would probably not be willing to give up that much power and capability for such little monetary gain. If the gain was greater(ie increase in fuel prices) then I can see it, but not if it remains less than $50 a month in savings.
So essentially, if you drive the average 16,550 per year most American male drives a year(LINK) and the gasoline prices in your area is the $2.50(current US average) and diesel was $2.99(current US average)(LINK). Then you to the average fuel mileage of the current 3.5L Ecoboost on fuelly which is 16.2 mpg(LINK) and then took the average for the Ecodiesel which is 22.4 mpg(LINK). That would give the average person a savings of $344.88 a year or just $28.74 a month on fuel alone.
Then add in the maintenance costs for both with the oil being about $120 for the Ecodiesel and $45 for an Ecoboost owner then that drops the savings down to $269.88 a year or $22.49 a month. Then you add in the DEF which is generally at a rate of 2% of 1 gallon of diesel consumed. An average fuel economy of 22.4 over 15,000 miles is 670 gallons which brings you to 13.4 gallons of DEF used. At Walmart's current price of $11.97 for a 2.5 gallon jug, that comes out to $64.16 cents for 13.4 gallons. This drops your savings down to $205.72 a year or just $17.14 a month. The $30 fuel filter will drop the savings to $175.72 a year($14.64 a month), but that is at a longer than 16.5k mile interval.
These calculations are based on the average person with the links provided for the data and not some small percentage of people like you and I who drive a lot more per year. I can guarantee you that if you go ask an Ecoboost owner or any other V8 truck owner that you can save them less than $18 a month if they switch to a truck engine with over 130 less horsepower, less capability, and less performance. I will bet you $1000 that a vast majority will go tell you to pound sand and they will keep their truck.
Good thing your not giving your opinion on what someone might consider enough of a savings to value. It is well known by now with you figures, you don’t believe the average person cares about savings if they can do what? Squeal their tires from a stop sign..... good thing I’m not 16 anymore I guess. This isn’t even the right location to argue the ideology of the masses due to the majority of people on this forum that need specific things out of their vehicles ie. towing capabilities.
Funny how your cherry picking your data and how you represent it. According to the US Energy administration, April, when I went back to, through October shows diesel has been cheaper than midgrain gasoline. November through December has diesel higher. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt with comparing them the same price. You are fortunate that at the time of this discussion, diesel is more expensive.
I didn’t leave out the 5.0 either, I included it in the less powerful engine category when comparing it to the 3.5 EB, as it’s less powerful.
