Forum Discussion
- Much ado about nothing! All the American truck manufacturers have been providing bogus ratings for their trucks and SUVs for many years. For example a SUV that holds 5 passengers should have its stopping distance from 65 MPH measured with a 750 lb. load in the vehicle. A 1/2 ton pickup should have 1,000 lbs. in the bed when it is tested, and so forth. That is the reasoning behind the SAE J2897 testing standards.
The "payload" is calculated at the factory and based on the weakest link in the truck. It is usually the tires with trucks. A 2500 truck with two tires rated at 3100@80 PSI is going to have a payload of 6200 lbs. minus the 3,200 lb. weight of the truck or 3000 lbs. and yet the buyer of the truck can easily change out the wheels and or the tires and either increase or decrease the payload capabilities of the truck.
The company that was several years ahead of GM, Ford, and Dodge/Ram was Toyota with its SUV's and trucks. Their numbers I trust, the others I would use as ballpark numbers at best. - Funny how we call the manufacturer's "liars" based on the article but take the media at face value. Interesting.
- In reality most people buying a truck could care less about the payload and it is only a big issue in the minds of some on this forum. For pete's sake the sticker on the door post tells it all.
- Maybe there is some sanity coming from the OEMs if your actual weight is that
close to the label data...
About time, but still not sure if yours is the norm or just an odd ball out of
the norm...
Until that is confirmed to me...will continue to advise those asking
to go out and actually weigh their TVs
Still don't understand why so many are upset...that has been SOP for
decades and decades on how the OEMs derived their ratings and been saying
that for decades and decades... BenK wrote:
Why can't you understand that, that stripper model used to derive
their ratings isNOT ORDERABLE
Like the proverbial 150 lb driver...
Your point is based on an orderable vehicle, which is NOT the curb
vehicle
You are not alone, as many advisers continually reference the door
label for cargo/payload is based on the orderable vehicle. NOPE it
is the 'curb', which is the stripper model
Easy enough to prove, but you'll have to go out and weigh your own
vehicle. Then find the published 'curb'. Unless you own the stripper
model...ask how many of the non-stripper options would you have to
unbolt and remove to get your own vehicle down to the published 'curb' ?
The payload number on my door jam (3842lbs) subtracted from GVWR 0f 11,700 was within 200 pounds of the cat scale on my 3500 Ram.- Why should someone have to hunt for this "you need to go to their fleet ordering guide website to find their weight calculator." .
It should be on the same site listed under Towing Spec's don't you think?
Don Fast Mopar wrote:
The short version is that GM and Ford deceptively pulled things off to reduce the weight. That bothers me.
WHY???
chevmanPerrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
gmcsmoke wrote:
Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote:
On the Ram Web site you can pick the trim level and it will give you the payload and tow rating WITH all options not the "stripper" model as some are saying. Why doesn't Ford and GM do the same.
? Why....because they would have to tell the truth and that's not going to happen.
Don
GM does this
I don't think so, I have been all over their web-site and the only thing they offer is a "trailing guide" it does list all the cab configs is the Sierra and Sierra Denali but it does not give you the option to choose the options. The Ram site lets you choose "standard options" or "premium options".
LINK
Don
you need to go to their fleet ordering guide website to find their weight calculator.- The short version is that GM and Ford deceptively pulled things off to reduce the weight. That bothers me.
- Hmmmmm,
I have a 2000 stripper model C2500. Was looking at new 1500's the other day from GM, found over 20 stripper models with in 50 miles of me.......
I would say stripper models are still more than available.
Marty
