hay wagon

[kmwaterboy]

While sitting here on the porch watching my neighbor across the road hauling hay, It occurred to me that if my tt had a steerable front axle like the hay wagon, or the truckers pulling tandem it would eliminate any tongue weight.Has this ever been tried on rv trailers?

[JIMNLIN]

Or is it because the wheels are at the back end of most commercial trailers, where the wheels on our TTs are closer to mid-frame?

IMO you answered your own question. That long tail hanging out behind the axles can create a big wag some times.

[ghostrider421]

I suppose it has - we've added a gooseneck hitch to the front end of the log trailers and connected it to the ball on the flatbed.

[hammer21661]

CavemanCharlie wrote:

wanderingbob wrote:
It is easy to back a wagon , the hard part is making it go where ya want it to go . But farmers do it all the time !
Here in north Fl./south Georgia it is common to see 3 to five peanut wagons hooked together going down US 90 or US 84 with a twelve to fifteen year old kid driving along dipping snuff !

Oh God ! Would you ever get busted for that around here.

Busted for the dip? We had one of those little trailers but we had a pintle on the front so we could back up easier.

[CavemanCharlie]

wanderingbob wrote:
It is easy to back a wagon , the hard part is making it go where ya want it to go . But farmers do it all the time !
Here in north Fl./south Georgia it is common to see 3 to five peanut wagons hooked together going down US 90 or US 84 with a twelve to fifteen year old kid driving along dipping snuff !

Oh God ! Would you ever get busted for that around here.

[wanderingbob]

It is easy to back a wagon , the hard part is making it go where ya want it to go . But farmers do it all the time !
Here in north Fl./south Georgia it is common to see 3 to five peanut wagons hooked together going down US 90 or US 84 with a twelve to fifteen year old kid driving along dipping snuff !

[Passin_Thru]

Dollies are nothing new and about half the trucking companies in the us use them. Pulled doubles for a while, a wild ride in windy, rainy or snowy conditions. You can grab the tongue of a dollie and wheel it around by hand. Just looks heavy.

[Nvr2loud]

colliehauler wrote:
Would make watching people try to back into a tight campground space very fun to watch.

It is already fun to watch!

[Doug33]

kmwaterboy wrote:
I see we have a few farm boys on here.As for any problems,the truckers pulling the double trailers around here don't seem to have any sway or others problems.They go like mad pulling those things.
Just thinking it would eliminate much of the weight on the truck and give you more payload so you pull a larger,heavier trailer.

I was thinking about this last week when I came up next to an 18-wheeler that was constantly swaying back and forth a couple feet. What prevents the trailers from experiencing sway like we do with our TTs? Is it because of the weight in the trailer? Or is it because the wheels are at the back end of most commercial trailers, where the wheels on our TTs are closer to mid-frame?

[CavemanCharlie]

I can back a hay wagon up with a pickup. But, it ain't easy and sometimes it takes me a few tries. Works best if you remove the end gate on the pickup so you can see what the hitch on the wagon is doing.

[tfodify]

My trick for doing that with a tractor was to focus my attention on where I wanted the hitch point to go, not how I planned on moving the steering wheel. Trying to think the process out from the tractor's front wheels back was frustrating at best.

It would definitely raise the campground entertainment level.

[fireman41]

OK I drive truck and I pull double trailers , and I have no problem keeping my tail trailer behind me it is very stable. I have also had the misfortune of having my heavy trailer as the tail a few times and guess what nothing happen. It just went down the road fine.
Now some one on here posted about the setups they us in Michigan and how they have a fifth wheel on the back of the trailer, I think that's what is called a B train and there a nice set up for flat beds but not so nice for van trailers.
Now the set up I pull use two 28 foot long trailes. The two trailers are hooked together with what's called a converter dolly. Its called converter dolly because it converts a semi trailer to a full trailer. Now a semi trailer is a trailer were some of the weight is carried by the tow vehicle. A full trailer carries its full weight on its axles and little to no weight is carried buy the tow vehicle.
OK the lead trailer is hooked to the truck with a fifth wheel hitch. The converter dolly is hooked to the lead trailer with a pintle hitch than converter dolly is backed under the tail trailer with the truck and lead trailer. And the dolly is hook to the tail trailer with a fifth wheel hitch.
As far as backing everything up well it can be done it just takes time and practice.
Sorry for the long post I hope this helps clear up a few things

[loulou57]

kmwaterboy wrote:
I see we have a few farm boys on here.

LOL....I think the first time I backed up a hay wagon into a bank barn, I was 7 months pregnant with a 9 month old on my knee :B :W

[Denlor]

Used to have my own trucks and had many giggles watching others try to back these rigs up, it is an art that takes much practice.

[mhardin]

When in college, I worked at a saw mill that used the 4 wheel trailers with a steerable front axle. You might be able to back one, if you were lucky. Really lucky! Add two, or more, and forget backing.

As an experiment, take your kid's little red wagon, attach it to his peddle car, and try to back it. Good luck! The two pivot points are killers.