Last of their Breed

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:
False. Toyota Stout in 1954
Toyota Stout

So you are calling Toyota Global(the very same company that made the Stout) a liar over Wikipedia(which is known not to be 100% accurate since people can change it)?

Toyota states "The Model RK23 (payload capacity: 1,500 kg) went into production in April 1956 in a minor changeover of the Model RK.". Now I don't know about you, but I kinda think that Toyota would probably know when they made their own trucks better than Wikipedia.

Maybe you should look a little harder. Yes I agree US Pickups are usrless outside NA

The standard body was a 2-door, 3 seater pickup with a separate well body (with a fold down tailgate). Other bodies advertised by Toyota included a van, an ambulance, double cab coupe utility (2-doors, 6 seater, integral well body), drop-side pickup, pickup with stake sides, a pickup with full height metal side with a canvas top, a light bus (precursor to the Coaster) and an ice cream va

Better yet, check for the Stout on page 10 of this pdf which shows the timeline of all Toyota vehicles.

Toyota Vehicle Lineage 75 Year History

RobertRyan wrote:
False. Toyota Stout in 1954
Toyota Stout

So you are calling Toyota Global(the very same company that made the Stout) a liar over Wikipedia(which is known not to be 100% accurate since people can change it)?

Toyota states "The Model RK23 (payload capacity: 1,500 kg) went into production in April 1956 in a minor changeover of the Model RK.". Now I don't know about you, but I kinda think that Toyota would probably know when they made their own trucks better than Wikipedia.

False. Toyota Stout in 1954
Toyota Stout

RobertRyan wrote:
The question : so you agree US pickup trucks are complete failures outside NA.

The first crew cab truck was the American 1957 International Harvester Travellette. The Japanese didn't start producing crew cabs until 1962 in the Toyota Stout which is just another version based off of the standard American pickup truck just like the Hilux and Ranger which are currently Australia's best selling vehicles

No you got that wrong Toyota Stout in 1954

They didn't even make a Stout in 1954.


The Toyopet RK23 truck came out in 1956.... Toyopet RK23 truck

Then it later became known as the Stout in 1959...1959 Toyopet Stout

Then had a refresh in 1960 making it look more like American pickups at the time.... 1960 Stout

Then it got a crew cab variant in 1962 which was 5 years after this..... 1957 International Harvester Travellete

The rest is history with more American trucks becomong four doors like what your see today, and the global trucks being based off of smaller versions of the American standard truck.

The question : so you agree US pickup trucks are complete failures outside NA.I hinted that several times.

The first crew cab truck was the American 1957 International Harvester Travellette. The Japanese didn't start producing crew cabs until 1962 in the Toyota Stout which is just another version based off of the standard American pickup truck just like the Hilux and Ranger which are currently Australia's best selling vehicles

No you got that wrong Toyota Stout in 1954not IHI
No answer by you on the Cab Chassis Holden Ute and the European Crafter Cab Chassis Truck, they meet your definition of a " Pickup Truck"
As I have posted earlier in this thread. Success of Pickups is patchy in Australia Gpobal Colorado is nowhere to be seen. It is currently 17th in Sales. Holden Ute when in production was the 4th best selling vehicle at the timr.


The Model T Pickup Truck went by a different name when it came out bears no resemblance to a Modern Pickup
They were called Depot Hacks

RobertRyan wrote:
Well as usual you do not answer the question. .,

Huh?!? What question? You didn't ask a question.

RobertRyan wrote:
A Holden 4x4 Crewman Ute and. VW Crafter cab chassis have absolutely nothing to do with US Pickup Trucks. Toyota Hilux is a Japanese designed Pickup that has nothing to do with US Pickups. . CrewCabs are a Japanese innovation.. Pickups have nothing to do with Chassied Coupe Utlities or European Cab Chassis Vans

The first crew cab truck was the American 1957 International Harvester Travellette. The Japanese didn't start producing crew cabs until 1962 in the Toyota Stout which is just another version based off of the standard American pickup truck just like the Hilux and Ranger which are currently Australia's best selling vehicles.

ShinerBock wrote:

RobertRyan wrote:

Absolutely Nothing American about them, if the US Pickups were like the Hilux they would be selling in vastly greater numbers
Here is a Ute that meets that definition. It is AWD as well

Whether you like to admit it or not, America was the first to make a pickup of the assembly line in the 1920's. In fact , the Model T Roadster with Pickup Body is actually where the term "pickup" comes from. Every "pickup" after that have been based on that very first American pickup just like the Hilux and global Ranger which are just smaller version of American based pickup.

An Illustrated History of the Pickup Truck

These smaller versioned American trucks sell well globally due to many reasons that I have numerously pointed out like the old Displacement Tax forcing automakers to sell smaller engine/smaller sized vehicles, smaller road infrastructure of most global countries, and higher fuel costs among other things. Our big American trucks just aren't made for those markets, but luckily for us the North American truck market is big enough to sustain itself without the need of any other market. In contrast, the smaller version of American trucks need to be sold globally because not one market is beg enough to sustain them being built.

Although, that does not mean these small versions of American trucks cannot be sold here without adapting them to our market. Take the Colorado diesel for instance which GM had to design a new frame and rework the 2.8L Duramax to meet the North American vehicle requirements.

Well as usual you do not answer the question. .,
A Holden 4x4 Crewman Ute and. VW Crafter cab chassis have absolutely nothing to do with US Pickup Trucks( they meet your definition). Toyota Hilux is a Japanese designed Pickup that has nothing to do with US Pickups. So the first Pickup was built in the 1920'sin the US,this thread is about Coupe Utillities, ffirst cars were built in the 1880's, they have virtually nothing in common with modern vehicles, neither does a 1920 Pickup. . CrewCabs are a Japanese innovation.. Pickups have nothing to do with Chassied Coupe Utlities or European Cab Chassis Vans. all of them have and are selling vastly better than any US Pickup outside NA That is by definition

RobertRyan wrote:

Absolutely Nothing American about them, if the US Pickups were like the Hilux they would be selling in vastly greater numbers
Here is a Ute that meets that definition. It is AWD as well

Whether you like to admit it or not, America was the first to make a pickup off the assembly line in the 1920's. In fact , the Model T Roadster with Pickup Body is actually where the term "pickup" comes from. Every "pickup" after that have been based on that very first American pickup just like the Hilux and global Ranger which are just smaller version of American based pickup.

An Illustrated History of the Pickup Truck

These smaller versioned American trucks sell well globally due to many reasons that I have numerously pointed out like the old Displacement Tax forcing automakers to sell smaller engine/smaller sized vehicles, smaller road infrastructure of most global markets, and higher fuel costs versus the US among other things. Our big American trucks just aren't made for those markets, but luckily for us the North American truck market is big enough to sustain itself without the need of any other market. In contrast, the smaller version of American trucks need to be sold globally because not one market is big enough to sustain them being built so they need the global market as a whole to justify the costs of building them and making a profit.

Although, that does not mean these small versions of American trucks cannot be sold here without adapting them to our market. Take the Colorado for instance which GM had to design a new frame and rework the 2.8L Duramax to meet the North American vehicle requirements. It probably will do well here. Not as well as the full size trucks, but our market is big enough to sustain it.

qtla9111 wrote:
Ford Ranger and Hilux in Mexico are still going strong. They have announced the 2019 model of the Ranger that will appear in July 2018. (2.2L - Diesel l4, 2.5L Gasolinal4 y 3.2L Diesel l5). 7400 lbs tow capacity.

Hilux would have been better than the Tacoma ( Toyota is focusing on the new Hilux Globally. Do not think you have that in Mexico.) Problems with The US market Hilux is ownly diesel No.problem here or makets outside NA
Yes you do not get the same engine options 180lbs ft of torque:(