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Need advice on choosing another Tow Vehicle?

jungleexplorer
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Okay, so my mechanic (best mechanic I have found in 30 years) told me today that he thought that my 2007 Silverado with the 5.3 will tow my Kodiak 19FL and about 1000 pounds extra, but that it would stress the transmission quit a bit. So now I am trying to figure out how to convert my current TV into something better.

Here is my situation. I just spent all my money on my TT. My 2007 Silverado 1500 LT with Leather interior is worth about 12,000 or 11,000 for quick sale. I am hoping to find a better TV in that price range. My other concern is fuel economy. I can look up what most truck will get while not towing, but not while towing. This where I need y'all s help.

What I am looking for is fuel economy report while towing your trailers. Just basic stuff, like Make, model and engine of your TV and length and weight of your TT.

I really appreciate your help folks. Thanks
1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R
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majorgator
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See, aren't you happy we talked you off that cliff of getting a new TV 😉
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hddecker
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Sounds like you have everything worked out.

Enjoy your camper.

jungleexplorer
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UPDATE:

Well, I am back from my first trip with my TT. We spent a week up in Colorado and pulled mountains as high as 12,000 feet. I have to say that I am please with how my truck performed overall. Here is a run down of the upgrades I made to the truck and how they performed.

MY TRUCK and Travel Trailer

2007 Chevy Sliverado Crewcab with 5.3 V8, 4 speed auto trans with OEM tow package and 3.23 Rear end gear ratio. 2005 Kodiak 19FL.

UPGRADES:
1. Tekonsha 90195 P3 Electronic Brake Control with Tekonsha 3015-P Brake Control Wiring Adapter.

2. BAFX Products - Bluetooth OBD2 scan tool with TORQUE PRO Android app for monitoring Transmission temps.

3. Fit System 80800 Chevrolet Silverado Towing Mirrors

4. Derale 13950 Atomic-Cool Remote Transmission Cooler.

HOW THEY PERFORMED:

1. The Tekonsha 90195 P3 Electronic Brake Control was easy to install and set up and performed exceptionally well. The Tekonsha 3015-P Brake Control Wiring Adapter fit my 2007 Silverado perfectly and made the install of the brake controller a breeze.

2. The BAFX Products - Bluetooth OBD2 scan tool with TORQUE PRO Android app work flawlessly during the whole trip and took all worry about transmission over heating problems completely away. It was a little difficult to get the Torque app set up for transmission temp monitoring on my truck because there is virtually no instructions for the app available. I had to sign up for and post questions on the Torque user forum to figure out the proper way to set the app up for transmission temp monitoring, but in the end it worked once I got set up and it was well worth it.

3. The Fit System 80800 Chevrolet Silverado Towing Mirrors snapped on my OEM mirrors like a glove. The mirrors made it easier to see what was behind me, but they were not all that great. The driver side extension was okay but the passenger side was completely useless. One problem with both sides was that the mirrors are not stable and bounce around a little. The mirrors are the same type for both sides (flat style mirrors). The flat style mirror works okay for the driver side and provided a decent (could be better) field of view, but on the passenger side the field of view is so narrow it is about 6 feet tall by 5 feet wide at the rear of my 24 foot TT. I bought a convex stick on mirror at walmart and stuck on the passenger side as a temporary measure to improve the field of view to a more useful level. I plan on making some custom improvements to both the mirrors now that I am home.

4. The Derale 13950 Atomic-Cool Remote Transmission Cooler worked amazingly. Honestly, I am not sure I could have made the trip without it. Before I installed it my average transmission temp while not towing was about 168 and 190 while towing my TT on flat level ground at 60 MPH, and 200 or more pulling any small Texas hill. After I installed the Derale 13950 Atomic-Cool Remote Transmission Cooler, my average temps while towing my TT fully loaded and wet was around 170 on flat ground and 180 while pulling mountains. My trans oil only got up to 200 degrees one time while pulling a super steep mountain that climbed 2500 feet over a span of 3 miles with sharp curves and speed limits of 20 MPH. My transmission finally reached 200 degrees just as I was cresting the top and stayed there for less the a minute and quickly cooled down to 170.


Overall, my truck did well in spite of the high gear ratio of the rear end. Of course, power was not available for fast take offs and acceleration while pulling a hill, but I did not feel that the truck was struggling that much to pull my TT. The Derale remote transmission cooler was a real life saver I feel. It was a little difficult to figure out how to install it because there absolutely no instruction, recommendation, consumer created videos or anything else on the internet on how or where to install this cooler. I ended up finding a perfect place to install it up behind the front bump. I had to create a custom bracket to install it there, but it works great. The kit a bought came with a oil thermostat to turn the fan on when the trans oil reaches a certain temperature, but I just wired the fan control into electric engine radiator fans so that the Derale cooler fan will turn on when the electric engine radiator fans turn on. Since I could find no instructions or guides on the internet on how to install this cooler, I took pictures and videos with my smartphone while I was installing to make my own video to post for other to use. Here is a photo.

1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R

gunner65
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190-210 should be normal and like others said tow in 3rd not 4th OD.

For the other question about tow mirror extensions I have the ones you are asking about that slip over your factory ones on my Avalanche when towing they work fairly well. No substitute for brains though!

AirForceAngler
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hddecker wrote:
jungleexplorer wrote:
Well, looks like I am not going anywhere. Got everything all hooked up and took the trig for a test drive. I did not make it 7 miles from a cold start before my transmission hit 200 degrees and I had to pull over to cool off. And this is on flat ground and I do not even have water in the tanks yet.

I think I need a stronger TV.


Sounds to me like you have a trans cooler that has a problem.

Are you servicing your transmission as per the manufacturers service schedule. Eirty fluid tends to create havok with coolers.


Were you towing in OD or in 3rd?
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2014 Grey Wolf by Forest River 26BH TT

majorgator
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Another valid question:
How many miles since your last transmission service?
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1998 Coachmen Catalina Lite 248TB
TV: 1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 7.3L Diesel (a man's truck)

*signature amended so that religious components aren't included (per "Admin")...hooray, now nobody will be offended by my personal beliefs

majorgator
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My trans temp is around 210 towing light loads and gets up to 230 or so on heavier loads. Admittedly, that's a bit high, which is why I have a new trans cooler on the way. There's no problem with 200 degrees. I found a chart for trans temp ranges a while back. If I can find it again, I will post.

EDIT:
Here's a copy/paste from the chart I was referencing...

Transmission coolers help extend the life of your transmission fluid and can prevent transmission failure from overheating.
At 240° varnishes form and transmission life expectancy is cut in half.
At 260° the transmissions internal seals and rubber parts harden and major damage starts.
Above 295° your transmission starts slipping, clutches burn out and carbon forms.
With each 20° drop in operating temperature, your fluid and equipment life doubles.
SAVED BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH*
1998 Coachmen Catalina Lite 248TB
TV: 1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 7.3L Diesel (a man's truck)

*signature amended so that religious components aren't included (per "Admin")...hooray, now nobody will be offended by my personal beliefs

APT
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200 degrees is withing the normal operating range for most automatic transmissions. When you start at 90+ in Texas, I'm not surprised. Mine hovers in the 190's mot of the time towing. Flush the trans fluid and install a bigger/secondary cooler.

Are you pleased with towing performance, acceleration and handling?
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hddecker
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jungleexplorer wrote:
Well, looks like I am not going anywhere. Got everything all hooked up and took the trig for a test drive. I did not make it 7 miles from a cold start before my transmission hit 200 degrees and I had to pull over to cool off. And this is on flat ground and I do not even have water in the tanks yet.

I think I need a stronger TV.


Sounds to me like you have a trans cooler that has a problem.

Are you servicing your transmission as per the manufacturers service schedule. Eirty fluid tends to create havok with coolers.

jungleexplorer
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Well, looks like I am not going anywhere. Got everything all hooked up and took the trig for a test drive. I did not make it 7 miles from a cold start before my transmission hit 200 degrees and I had to pull over to cool off. And this is on flat ground and I do not even have water in the tanks yet.

I think I need a stronger TV.
1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R

jungleexplorer
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Well, after a long discussion over on the chevy truck forum, I have figured out that I don't need my mechanic to install trailer brake controller.

I ordered the "Tekonsha 90195 P3 Electronic Brake Contro" and the "Tekonsha 3015-P Brake Control Wiring Adapter ". It just plugs right in and your ready to go (after testing and a tuning of course). I order the "BAFX Products - Bluetooth OBD2 scan tool " to use in conjunction with with my android phone to monitor transmission temps.

I just finished waxing my trailer with the "Star brite Premium Marine Polish Boat Wax with PTEF" and have some 303 on order to treat the roof and trim with.

Looks like I almost about ready to go. Thanks for all the advice guys and I will report back with the result of my trip.
1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R

jungleexplorer
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In my case my TT sticks way out on either side and the mirrors are not out far enough to see down the side of the TT. I don't think a convex mirror will fix this.
1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R

majorgator
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Okay. Different question. When I was pulling my TT home (300 miles) I could not see behind me at all because my stock side mirrors are not out far enough. This made me very nervous. I really want to correct this before getting out on the road again. I was thinking of mirror extensions or possibly even some sort of camera on the back of my RV. Anybody done this?

Mirror extensions will only get you so far. On my chevy, I have a simple convex mirror with sticky tape mounted to the bottom left corner of the mirror. For me, it works just fine and only costs about $2 at the auto part store. The main thing you're trying to accomplish anyway is to not have a massive blind spot. Just my opinion. If you feel more comfortable with mirror extensions then get them.
SAVED BY GRACE, THROUGH FAITH*
1998 Coachmen Catalina Lite 248TB
TV: 1996 F350 Crew Cab 4x4 7.3L Diesel (a man's truck)

*signature amended so that religious components aren't included (per "Admin")...hooray, now nobody will be offended by my personal beliefs

jungleexplorer
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Okay. Different question. When I was pulling my TT home (300 miles) I could not see behind me at all because my stock side mirrors are not out far enough. This made me very nervous. I really want to correct this before getting out on the road again. I was thinking of mirror extensions or possibly even some sort of camera on the back of my RV. Anybody done this?
1999 Minnie Winnie WF322R